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Why is nintendo shotting itself in the foot again?
| Because as always you aren't told 100% the story behind it because it's better to throw shit at Nintendo.
People were probably selling full controllers instead of just shells with fake replacements and probably they were sendind them to Nintendo for the Joy-Con drift issue as if it was Nintendo's problem when those weren't official pieces.
Maybe that charity wasn't fiable and some part of the money wasn't going to the charity.
| I love nintendo but how come they get 3 controversies in 1 week, refuse to adress any of those and take actions that just seem cruel?
Like shit like that didnt happen when Reggie was around, wft is Bowser doing?
| >"Like shit like that didnt happen when Reggie was around, wft is Bowser doing?"
Alright, who wants to make the joke?
| >>721937 so this is where I am currently.
I understand the company perspective on shutting down something that's "labelled" as something but has some shady backgrounds. In this case, selling stuff for charity but profiting. And Nintendo putting a stop on that is understandable.
Heck, even if they indeed are doing it for the reason, you can't just get something and sell it without proper licensing.
But there seems to be a lot on Nintendo's part here so I dunno.
| >>721959 to be fair, not taking action into a controversy is not all that bad.
Controversies are cancel culture main focus, and reacting to them is what fuels them.
Although I agree Nintendo is... a bit too quiet at the moment, I can understand not addressing every single issue publicly.
... nothing should be addressed publicly unless there is no other way around it. > _>
| >>721972 idk man, looking at these past controversies, it seems like they are taking the worst decisions ever, and like, the melee thing was stupid and morally dumb, the splatoon thing seemed like a bad atempt at damage control due to their legal but very scummy actions, and for the etika joycon they were being very scummy, why go after the charity custom seller? So many other custom sellers do it for profit, why go for the famous charity one?
| They are taking a lot of dumb actions, nintendo wasnt perfect and they always did some weird stuff but I feel like if those were reggie or iwata times, nintendo wouldnt do things this bad
| You mean a mentally ill youtuber who made shitty reaction videos (read: scream nonstop to the webcam) and then commited suicide? His fans were selling fake joycon? How dare nintendo not give them special treatment!?
| >>721976 It was Big House's bad decision, they could have streamed the game through Parsec without the need of everyone needing to dump their copy (of course you can't proove every participant's copy is legal or they won't throw their dump to the Internet), just 1 copy, 1 Pc, 1 Gamecube and 1 video recorder, participants would just need a mobile or a PC and a controller. But It was easier to complain at Nintendo because people love to hate when losing money.
| Idk but behind all the shit Twitch is going through right now for music copyrgiht Nintendo is not claiming a shit, Nintendo content creators are still there, Nintendo doesn't complain on speedrun hackroms and lately is not complaining on hackroms at all (because hack rom aren't promoting piracy anymore). And you are telling me after this big step they made some controversy towards 2 things only explained by the minority toxic community makes them definetly the worst?
| Looks like the drama is solved, now let's hope the dramatic ones hear this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCj_owB8sU
| Just cuz its legal doesnt mean its morally right, yall excusing nintendo too much
| >>722077 when a company is giving you a chance to change it before taking it down so you acusse the company as being evil is more morally right?
Would you really let anyone rape you just because they need to or otherwhise is not morally right because you are not agreeing with the raper?
| >>722115 wow you pulled that out of ass with so many levels of wrong, not even gonna bother if you are that derranged about it, next time check read what you write before posting it
| Nintendo gets little flak for stuff compared to EA and others because people see them as nothing more than an uwu toy company
| >>722127 nah man, its cuz of peopld who cant differentiate company quality from product quality
The games are amazing but their decisions are questionable to good at best, but it seems that the change in head honchos has been making things even worse
| Haven't read the whole thread, am not a lawyer, here's my best guess legally
In the US we have the first sale doctrine, so Nintendo(NTDOY) can't sue you for selling a real joycon
It's likely they were c&d over using NTDOY trademark on the shell and in marketing
They can probably remove the word joycon and the joycon logo from the right joycon clean the marketing and be able to sell them with no issue
Assuming they are real with a shell and not "counterfeit"
| >>722122 Not my problem if you can't really answer with a yes or no before evading my supposed question, of course it's an exageration, but basically your way of thinking is what leaves so many problems in the world and why people can't even tolerate a corporate defending its own products. If you like them, you buy them, if not, ashume the consequences if you are still going to use them.
| >>722159 you compared a the morals of a cease and desist case to the morals of if rape should be sued for or not, if you have to use that as an arguement then you either you cant diferentiate cases and lacks any sort of critical thinking or you just dont have any good arguements that dont require twisting logic and morals to fit your opinion.
| >>722188 again, this was an exageration, an exageration everyone (as seen from you and>>d1e321 ) sees as extreme so it it's easier for them to understand an example of a duality between legal and moral. If you don't understand you are doing things, moral or not, without the company's consent maybe you understand better with an example on a bigger tone
| >>722188 both cases are the same in that there is a subject doing things to a target that doesn't consent it and has the law behind it. Of course you can't compare a rape with a theft or a murder, but the three things are morally and legally wrong, or are you saying you would steal because it's not as wrong as murdering?
| Nintendo in this case is not wanting the word Joycon in someone's design (btw the designer already redesigned it and for now it looks like there are no problems) and >>d1e321 in>>722077 it's saying is morally wrong, so Nintendo must just shut up and consent when it's their product?
| >>721898
Also as an ending to this messed up "let's just shit on Nintendo again"
Etika's Joycons new design >> Support funding it, thanks.
https://twitter.com/Cptn_Alex/status/1336469390196416512
| >>722389 "nintendo doesnt deserve any criticism cuz what they did was legal" yeah great, most of what all other companies do is legal so that arguement isnt any good
| No one ever said they don't deserve criticism, there is a high level of difference between criticism and morality, and you can critic whatever you want (I'm the first to complain towards 1000 things about Nintendo) but you can't say what Nintendo is doing is wrong, you just don't agree with their policies and that's what capitalism is about, you don't like it you don't consume it
| This is like when paying for playing Online became a thing on Sony and then Nintendo, maybe for you is wrong, but look how extensive it has become, there is a majority of people who support this policy, so is it really the majority who is wrong?
| >>722495 yes, the majority is very wrong on that one, nobody really asked or wanted it but microcock did it and people didnt mind it so all companies started doing it, its is wrong but they did it anyway, not cuz people liked but cuz they didnt mind.
If the majority of people started acting like assholes it wouldnt make it right by any means, assholes are assholes, moraly bad actions are bad, greed is bad and you cant change it you like it or not even if its legal
| >>722496 but online being free was a problem for most companies. Nintendo didn't move to paid online just for profit. They did because it wasn't sustainable anymore to offer free online membership.
This isn't a "everyone is doing it so that's makes it good" no. This is a thing about the way things work now.
In the past it wasn't hard to keep servers working online, but now it is.
| >>722514 that arguement has been debunked ages ago, there is no cost to make a console conect to wifi, if that were the case we would have to pay for connecting pcs on the internet, people already pay for wifi, there is no need to pay for connecting to it too.
And before you say "the servers" just so you know, there is a lot of games with a lot of servers that are for free out there, even some indie ones, they can tottaly manage it without those bs memberships
| Fanboys will always be fanboys and justify all crap. That's why the video game industry is crashing.
| >>722530 yep, look at lou2, pkmn swsh, microtransactions in games, online memberships, no mans sky, destiny, EA, blizard, bethesda, the mario all stars shit, tournament purging etc, all these problems are more caused by enablers who lack standarts
| >>722545 Haven't you ever though that maybe you are not the target for these companies? It's not enablers, it's called consumers and sadly, some of them aknowledge perfectly the situation (with Mario All Stars for example) and they will still buy it because they are ok with that, is their money and their ideas, not yours, if you don't like it make yourself a dictatorship so you can ban them.
| >>722530 how is the videogame industry crashing? New generation of consoles, more than 1000 games per year few companies have gone bankrupt last year compared to years ago... LOT of free-to-plays also compared to years ago... I can accept that AAA companies are lowering the quality around (just like 10 years ago), but crashing? In a world full of indies?
| >>722564 in the same way people can have low standarts I can criticize they lack of standars.
If most game companies think that that appealing to these people is more lucrative then they can do it too, but I will complain anytime I feel like they being abusive to their own consumers
| >>722515 This is true, while is not cheap to have servers for games (or anything really, look at Danger/u/ itself years ago, it was about to shutdown) it seems unfair to pay Sony or Nintendo for game whose servers are not in charge at all from those companies, specially cross-platform games, Microsoft on the other hand kind of host lot of servers so it kind of makes sense. But while it's not that cheap to host a server, the money for Online memberships definetly doesn't profit them
| >>722565 well of course they are thriving, normies are the majority and they have low standarts for games sinc they lack experience in the field, ripping people of becomes easier if the people cant differentiate good from bad.
All you have to do as big company is chuck your older audience to the gutter and start making games with less effort and sell them under the legacy you built over the yrs, it will sell like water
| tldr; nintendo iz bad and people are stupid, go emulate their games instead of buying their death prone hardware etc etc
| Y'all motherfuckers just aren't happy until you find something to bitch about. And if you can't find something, you pick something ridiculously stupid to get upset about lol
| >>722934
>nintendo
>death prone hardware
Excuse me, what?
The only issue with Nintendo hardware I know of is analog stick drift, and that sure sucks (I've yet to experience it myself though), and MAYBE the L/R buttons on the DS getting messed up occasionally. Otherwise DSLite, 3DS and Switch have served me well since their respective launch dates.
| >>723524 My N64 died out of nowhere
GBA SP's screen broke (weak screen)
FatDS's screen went dodgy as hell
DS Lite L/R buttons literally died
Wii disc reader became an airplane
GBA and DSi no problems but D-Pad hurts
Gb micro and Gamecube no problems at all
Old3DS easy dirty thumbstick.
New3DS thumbstick doesn't 100% when full forward sometimes
Switch noisy fan after 1 year. Joy-con drift after 1.5 year. Second set of Joy-con drifted as well after 1.5y. Pro Controller is inmortal
| >>723524 + 2nd Red Wii inmortal
I would say I'm clumsy if all of these hardware broke to me, but how some of them are literally inmortal in 2020 and some of them not? To this day I can say I have played more DSi than Lite and yet no LR issues. I was super cautelous with my second Joy-cons and barely used them, they drifted anyway in the same time-stamp. GBA SP might be I dropped it, but have seen some other screens broken and it's weird the damage looks exactly the same.
| Also I one time dropped my GBA SP in some water and screen became white for months, but one day it corrected.
Oh and forgot gamecube controller, c-stick died after 16 years, original model is known to have this issue.
So it's Nintendo bad Hardware? No. Can you play without worrying one day something will break? No.
Anyways I think by hardware >>722934 he wasn't meaning this but for example lack of functions like for example Switch compared to a 3DS, Wii U and even DSi.
| >>723541
> lack of functions like for example Switch compared to a 3DS, Wii U and even DSi
Like, okay, what does it lack..? Other than some gimmicks like dual screen (that wouldn't work well with the larger size I'm sure) or useless 3D?
| >>723588 compared to all of them: basic apps like Internet Browser, alarms (exclusive to two games, or notes, proper local communication (Switch games suffer on 1 meter range between 2 Switches), Paint/drawing apps (Not even Animal Crossing let's you draw by touch screen).
Out of DSi's range: Virtual console, instead games gets re-released to purchase them again when Nintendo stated they wanted to share catalog with Nintendo Network's release.
| I get some basic apps not included because "everyone has their phone to do that" but not everyone has the ability to show that on a TV
Also as you mention useless gimmicks, whole Joy-Cons and those cameras, some gimmicks tied to Nintendo Labo (which by the way has been totally forgotten, VR had wasted potential). At least 3D didn't add 80€/$ to the console and sleep mode drains lot of battery for a console that does nothing but check for updates if available.
| Oh forgot to mention, Twitter through Nintendo Switch still doesn't support the new character limit of 280 which has been around for more than 2 years now.
I doubt this is a Twitter issue as Tweeting is native to Switch.
| >>da01ec
Ah, by functions you mean software features? Well, I don't really care much about anything except games (VC not included), so I didn't really notice any of that. So I guess it all depends on your needs and expectations.
Also, my Switch doesn't seem to drain battery *too* fast in sleep mode, definitely slower than (3)DS, but that's neither here nor there.
| >>723638 I mean both hardware and software. While Switch has some hardware gimmicks that are cool, 5 games use them and false advertise them (so many games saying they are using HD Rumble and yet there is only rumble, no HD feeling). Switch Lite remove half of them like 2DS removed 3D but also removes TV mode. There is not enough drawing software because touchscreen's hardware is not accurate for it.
| They are a corporation, ofc they are going to act soulless since they are
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| I get the controversy is because of thrm banning Etika's joycons or something like that. But I don't get why they are doing it.
... like, the actual reasons? How is a custom controller illegal?