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Pokemon SnS
| that's not an opinion that's an objective fact
it's good for the porn and that's the gist of it though i do like some of the pokemon beyond lewdability
| I think it's pretty good, but I'm no game critic and I haven't really played a lot of other Pokémon games. As long as I'm having fun with it that's really all I care about
| Pokemon San'S
| Pokemon aSS.
| >>638692 It's fine if you like the game. But it's not what the game could of been. Gamefreak unfortunately let themselves get lazier and lazier with their recent generations, and more greedy.
| >>638776
What could it have been though? I feel like that's an argument you can just throw out at everything you dislike. "Could have been better." isn't really valid criticism. You should judge the game by what it has, not by what you wish it had.
| >>638781 he's referring to the fact that Zelda, Mario and other Nintendo games have gone through total transformations and recieved tons of innovative changes, reworks and graphical upgrades while Pokemon hasn't changed in any way at all, it is the same old shit and the game looks extremely dated.
| >>639706
Yeah. Everyone is aware of that. Everyone knows that Pokémon is just gonna be the same shit, but with different story, a few new Pokémons, and slightly better graphics. That's all it's ever been, and people love it, so why would they change it? I also don't see any real way to drastically change Pokémon and still have it be Pokémon. So it seems kinda foolish to expect more out of it. Like, legit. How does one completely change Pokémon and still have it be Pokémon?
| >>639789 "so why would they change it", jesus christ, why would they change Zelda? Or Mario? Or anything? Stop being a pathetic apologist.
| >>639793
I just don't see any reason to complain about something when you know what it's gonna be. If you don't like it then don't buy it instead of getting heated about the new Pokémon game being a Pokémon game. As I said (which you probably didn't read), how are they supposed to change Pokémon other than graphics and story? Nobody's complaining about shit like Dragon Quest games which are literally identical aside from graphics and story. Y'all just complaining for attention.
| >>639810 "when you know what its gonna be" nope, only idiots thought the product they delivered is what would be. A lot of people saw what Nintendo did with Zelda and Mario and thought Pokemon would be amazing too. And it wasn't. Stop being an apologist, people like you are literally the cancer of gaming. You literally defend shitty releases and you're a big reason why publishers get away with releasing shit games.
| You'd buy any steaming turd from any of your favorite franchises and then defend them to your grave despite how shit they are.
What a joke.
| >>639835
My point is that they didn't pretend like the game was something bigger. They showed more than enough gameplay before release to show you exactly what you're buying. I'm not a Pokémon fan, that's a pretty invalid point. The only Pokémon game I own is this one, which I only played for a few hours. I know you're deliberately ignoring everything I say for the sake of attention, so here you go. Hope you someday find a way to vent out frustration that isn't retarded.
| They also cut the dex and are now releasing the rest in their 40 dollas dlc pack when thy said they wouldn't add more pokemon that were, they lied about that, they teased having more willd area, they lied about the reason for the cut the animations are just as good as any other games with most being trash seriously they don't make the pokemon move they make the model move, they cut the moves too, also the is now 60 dollars, 60 dol for the same game we used to have at 40
| They cut half of the dex for better move animations wich are still bad, then they cut the moves, make us pay more 20 dollars for the same adventure with less content with more 40 dollars tha solve a problem that they made with sprinkled content, we are paying more for less, thats the reason why most people are mad
| >>07e1e2 and yet there are still pathetic apologists who will conjure up any kind of excuse they can think of to justify the game. "They didn't have to change it", "It didn't have misleading marketing", "It wouldn't be Pokemon otherwise"
| I honestly feel bad for everyone getting mad over all that shit. Devs owe you nothing. You don't like it? Don't buy it, and stop wasting time getting mad about it. Honestly. It's honestly sad that you care so much about fucking Pokémon that you get this mad over them not making your ideal version of it.
| >>639935 it's not about ideal version just read>>639889 >>639890 they are ripping us off, how can you not see that? Serouly, why? Can you explain me why you don't think they are ripping us off
| >>639944
Everything you said there are things you could easily find out about before buying it though, from showcases of the game, early reviews, all of that shit. I don't see how making a game that's bad is the same as ripping someone off when you can easily find out exactly what you're buying beforehand.
| >>639947that doesn't awnser, I asked why are you defending a bad game with so much force? Not why do you think I wrong, also I didn't buy the game, but a lot of people who are ignorant of the industry bought it and thats a problem it encourages this bad behaviour of the industry, look at bethesda, EA, bungee, they all did bad stuff, people bought their games and now look at their dying franchises
| >>639948
You just said it yourself though. Dying franchises. When companies make too many mistakes, it doesn't end well for them. Also, why do you care if others enjoy a game that you think is bad? I have no problem seeing the short comings of the game, but I still enjoy playing it. So why does it matter? If enough people think it's bad, then they'll eventually get punished for it. If enough people enjoy it, well, then just let them enjoy it, yeah?
| They get sad because these people are happy for having less than I had in the other games, people said ultra sun & sucks but it had all the previous content and more, if SnS had at least the full dex and moves I'd be way less angry about the games but its just sad to see the games you grew up be treated like some souless cash grab and slowly die, woulld wish that to your favourite games? Thats how stuff gets lost
| >>639959
Here's the thing though homie. Isn't the only reason you're upset about them not having the entire dex nostalgia? I've always viewed Pokémon kinda negatively because they always had all the same Pokémon's just to earn money on nostalgia. I viewed it as a positive thing when they finally did something different, but now it's suddenly a bad game because it's not identical to all the other ones? Also, who the fuck actually cares about animations in Pokémon?
| If you as a long time fan don't take care of what you got you will lose it, bause the newer people don't have standarts for something they are new at, so greedy people will try to exploit it,it doesn't aply to just games it can happen to any thing
| >>639960 it not about the animations it's about he lies, they said they cut the dex for better animations, also you don't like to... have options?
| >>639961
You just sound like an elitist craving nostalgia. Take care of it? You complaining about it here does nothing. Nintendo doesn't watch over you and read your opinions. The only thing that matters here is if you buy it or not. Also, standards? Really? I feel lik you've got pretty low standards already if you're such a huge fan of a game series where every entry is identical, and you're complaining that the newest one isn't identical to all the others.
| >>639962
Like to have options? Are you high dude? How is 400 different Pokémon not enough for you? Why do you value the same thing you've seen every single entry for years and years more than new things? Seriously. I have game series that I really like, and I enjoy when they change things instead of having everything be the same. I'd much rather see something new than see everything I saw for the last 15+ games, but again.
| You are just twisting my words now, I don't thw games to stay the same, I just don't want them to remove content and add a paywall for the the stuff we already had, thats scummy, if removing pokemon and moves is innovating I think you are the one with low standarts
| Calling others elitist doesn't devalue their opinion you are just attacking and labeling them wich is not very good for a heathy disscusion
| OP here, Pokemon SnS is still a steaming turd.
Hats off to the folks here who understand what a pathetic cash grab it is.
I'm not impressed by the weak attempts people have made to defend the game so far.
| >>640051
The fact that you view it as removing content is the problem though. When Nintendo made Breath of the Wild nobody complained about them not having every single item and enemy that were in the previous games and called it "removing content". You don't complain about Final Fantasy because they don't have all the party members from every game available in new ones. SnS is not SnM. They are different games. That's why they have different content.
| Older games have all dex and moves, z-moves & mega evolutions in the same game, almost all legendaries were capturable, we had double and triple battles, battle royale, optional exp share, long side quests, cool post game and the games were 40 dollars.
Now they removed all of that, add a "open world", giganta max and dynamax(just jumbled mega evo and z moves wich was sorta creative),raid battles which yes was a good ideas but at what cost, and called it a 60 dollar game
| >>640052
You don't seem interested in a discussion though. I'm trying to have one, but you ignore all my points.
| >>640064 what points you are just saying I shouldn't care for a game franchise I that I'm clearly passionate abou
| >>640062
Then don't buy it. Think about it this way. Why do you expect developers to recreate the exact same game for every single entry, but also add at least one hundred new "characters", and then add at least one completely new mechanic, and the also add every character and mechanic from all the older games, and then also make the game world bigger than the last one to fit all of them, and then continue doing that forever. That's fucking insanity.
| And I didn't labble or called you names
| >>640067
I'm not saying you shouldn't care, but your expectations are unrealistic. Do you know how much work goes into a game? Very clearly not. You want good animations as well, right? So a minimum of 800 different and unique characters that need to be programmed with all the stats and moves and shit, have good, detailed models and high quality animations. Then you also expect them to shit out these games every few years. That's fucked up.
| >>640069 thats what all other games are doing, and for that I use zelda, botw had enough inovation to compensate the losses, look at>>640062 , did SnS inovate as much as it removed, if the whole game was a huge wild area then I wouldn't be complaining
| >>640070
Okay. I'm sorry if calling you an elitist hurt. Sorry. I shouldn't make dumb discussion personal.
| >>640077
Wait. Wait, wait, wait. So you just want open world Pokémon? Is that why you're mad? Because personally I feel like them replacing some old things for new things, like wild area and raids is justified, but is the case just that you want a fully open world Pokémon game instead of a normal one?
| >>640080 I didn't say thats the game I wanted, I said I wouldn,t mint if they did the same as zelda wich is a open world, they could have done idk, change the core gameplay, give more options to control th trainer such as in the beta of the first game where the trainer can fight, do better level desing, add a system where you can throw pokeballs like in pokemon go but still having wild battles
| Since there is less pokemon and moves, do better animations, give more utility to certain pokemon such as pokemon that can swim use surf naturaly inted of make the bycicle a transformer, strong pokemon can naturaly use srtengh and rock smash with out wasting a move slot, there are many ways to improve and add to the games with a dex cut
| The point is if they remove too much to add 2 or 3 kinda cool gimmicks but don't give any twists to the or solve any problem and even creates problem it's bad.
If they remove stuff, but change the core game or implement as much game changing gimmicks it would be fine, you should never remove more than you add and make people pay more
| Also I wouldn't mind if the took their time releasing games, like 1 every 3 to 5 years instead of 2
| >>640136
Sure. I still find it dumb to say "they're removing stuff from the game" when it never was in the game in the first place. The argument of how much the game costs is pretty invalid. The industry is growing, production cost are higher etc. Every game costs more nowadays.
| >>640138
Releasing basically identical games very often is how they make money though. People eat that shit up like crazy. That's why Pokémon is such a big franchise. Not because of innovation.
| >>640139 no its not, for the of games they do these are very cheap if you compare the production cost to other big switch games, the hardware was new but they had the let's go games to get used to, transferring pokemon isn't dificult, people are doing it, thech is very cheap for companies, now a days every one can make good games, look at the indie market
| >>640141 SnS are not identical to the other games, SnS is a rehash with less content, worse writing, fake promises and a paywall to add some of the stuff they removed
| >>640151
You obviously don't know shit about game development. Everyone can make a good game? Really? I'll have you know that shit is really fucking hard and requires tons of learning, hard work and passion.
| >>640156 I'm a indie dev ok, if they, had better planning, delayed the games and uped their staff they could have done way more, look at how many big sudios do more than pokemon, do you think SnS are worth the same price as any other AAA game?
| Game costs in the 90's were just as big, now with the amount of tech development you can do waaaay more with the same budget pokemon black for the DS was the sme price as ultra sun and moon and USUM has way more stuff to do and SnS has less than those games yet are considered AAA games thats stupid you could say usum has the same price as black cuse the thech was more expensive at the time yet usum has more contente and better graphics, how can you justify SnS
| Dance monkey.
| Nah man. Ain't in the mood for it.
| >>640165 if you can't see how games have value in the content and game play than you better give on this, because you really dont know much abou good game desing
| >>640176
I never said the game was good. I just found your arguments against it kinda dumb.
Cool and good.
Let's end it.
| In closing: SnS is a turd, Pokelul will continue to be trash and I can always say I've never spent a dime on the world's most overrated and the most underwhelming franchise.
| >>640182
Nice. I never played it but my opinion is valid because I read a rant about it on Reddit. Cool.
| >>640197 do you need to play the game nowadays to know if it's good? It's pokemon the gameplays are online you can see and review the whole game, none of the criticism here was something that you could only understand to play the game, you don't need to play to know they cut content, removed assets, rehashed the gameplay, and are selling cut content, and he is right, pokemon is overrated for what it is and for what it could havd been
| >>640197 you're delusional if you think I'd waste my life on a Pokelul reddit, at least this thread has comedic value.
| Yeah, pokemon SnS looks like ass.
I'll "get" it when Yuzu supports shaders pack, if you know what I mean.
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| It's a steaming turd, change my mind.