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Catherine Full Body and Transphobia
| what are you gonna do about it, kill yourself?
stay mad btw you're mentally ill and no one really cares about you, even the corporations are just trying to make more money off your stupid back
| It's hard to argue about this since I don't want to be spoiled or spoiling the game.
I'll just remind people that there are multiple endings and if you choose the choices according to your life value, you shouldn't end with ending that is the opposite of your life value/ ending that offends you.
I am irreligious and played SMT games before. Some of the endings in SMT turns you into god's servant/assistant and doing stuff that I don't agree about...
| Knowing that, I can just choose not to be lawful...
It's there for people that can agree with that perspective and I understand that. Just because I disagree with a certain ending, doesn't mean I have to throw tantrum or try to shut it down.
| What game?
| >>530757 A sequel or DLC for Catherine which was something like a weird "narrative puzzle platformer". Only thing I heard of Full Body was they advertised a new trans character.
Also, seems like the problem here is that apparently the "good ending" leaked in which a character travels back in time to stop the trans character from transitioning. But people are calling BS on that.
Probably just a trolling campaign but we'll see.
| A person that hates their own body and wishes to mutilate it must be of a sound mind!
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| >>530757 >>530762
Some clarifications:
The game's called Catherine. It was released for PS3 done years ago and getting a release with extra content for the PS4, subtitled Full Body.
Full Body also has a new character who might be trans, who is probably not human, but in any case not the point of the current outrage. The trans character in question is a girl called Erika, who was in the original game.
A leaked ending for Full Body shows what >>530762 said.
| The leaked ending is questionable, but it kinda blew up because most people are already antsy since they're not happy wth Erika's characterization in the original.
Which I honestly don't understand because Erika's portrayal is actually good?? There are transphobic jokes and the other characters make fun of her, sure, but it honestly feel pretty realistic to what a trans person might receive (see: this thread). Erika herself is pretty strong.
| >>530804
As an outsider what I think is rubbing people the wrong way about Erika's original portrayal specifically is the fact that she experiences the dreams that it's, afaik, stated that only men experience. This... Well, you can see where it gets kinda awkward, right? That seems to be about the only major issue with the original portrayal of Erika though.
| Again, I'm just an outsider, Catherine never really interested me, so take what I say with a grain of salt- odds-on I could be wrong.
(captcha: tykes fight ivory. I wonder who won?)
| One important detail that everyone is forgetting: No one outside of the US cares, least of all the Japanese.
We were proven time and time again, that making a "progressive" game that pleases everyone doesnt sell as much as a game catered specifically to nerds, big boobies and all.
So, does it matter? If you liked catherine or like Atlus games in general, you would play it. If you're a transgender person looking for represantation, you're not really the target demographic anyway.
| >>530999
>No one outside of the US cares, least of all the Japanese
Maybe not your fetishized version of the Japanese.
Japan, as it exists in the real world, has- as most any country does -an LGBT community, which you probably would've known if you actually did any research at all. And they ain't fond of Catherine's treatment of Erika. I'd say look it up, but considering you basically went "get woke go broke"...
>Doing real research would probably break you mentally.
| >>531008 Japan's not exactly a great place for trans people let's not fetishise it the other way now
| My stance is, the game isn't even out in English so we're going on unofficial translations, it's not unheard of for the localisations team to completely change a few things because they don't translate well or are offensive in Western culture, so wait to be offended until the official Western release is out so it's easier to argue about what happens than "this guy on this forum says it says this" ya know
| I think it's in poor taste if what we've heard with no context is accurate but since it's not out we should hold off on being offended since we don't know the full story and doing so isn't productive
| Who cares? The Japanese give no shits about the American sjw.
Catherine was a good game.
| Buttblasted edgelords upset that people are calling out shitty transphobic writing because "REEE EBIL SJWS WANNA KIWW MY PWECIOUS VIDEOW GAYMES"
Pathetic.
| >No one outside of the US cares..
I dont know about Japan but generally speaking its true although no one believes us when we say this, i guess they know more about our countries than we do.. ._.
And even when people do care, they care about this in a different way (its hard to explain..)
| Just throwing my two cents in here, just because something is depicted in a way considered negatively DOESN'T make it phobic against it. Nor does it ever always depict the perspective of the creators.
Like how Atlus depicted Kanji in Persona 4. Yeah there were many jokes made at his expense about his sexuality. However the fact that it was included and was an aspect in the game said miles as well.
| Or another example, Intelligent Systems + Nintendo with FE14. Yes that support where Soleil was given a potion to cure her sexuality was strange (also consider different culture aspects). But I know people who said they didn't do enough to represent LGBTQ+ because there was only one same sex support for both genders of the avatar (and even more stupidly I know people who were upset that a same sex support partner couldn't have a child unit).
| My overall point is that perspection is everything, and we are reading into this issue too much. ESPECIALLY since this issue about Catherine isn't even confirmed yet considering translation errors.
| >>531106 Quran and bible also contains transphobic writing, go cry about it before using your extra chromosomes to ass blast the edgelord gaymers. Since you know, those books are taken as life guidelines or "truth" by a lot of people.
| EVERYONE
Stop fighting or the damn Janitors will have thials thread locked if it goes further
>>b6ece5 this is /v/, while using religious writings to back evidence
Is plausible, this is not /new/.
If all of you are concerned,play the game/watch the cutscenes and try to analyise them without bias. This is a weird game story-wise to begim with, but it does try to touch on a very specific subject that all of you may not like. This goes for you too OP
| >>531217 We just had a thread about stocks in /tech/. There are ongoing "I wish <insert color here> people are killed at birth" threads. There were a lot of discussion about mental ilness and trans stuff previously. If this thread is locked, then the moderation system is a fucking joke.
| >>531217
Honestly, this is pretty tame. Some dumb posts aside, there's some pretty good points here.
>>531055
Yeah, my stance as well. We should wait for some official release instead of relying on some shady leak.
In any case, seeing Atlus so far, I don't think they're being malicious at all. They're just not well-informed about being trans or queer. Public outrage is hardly the way to deal with that
| >White heteronormative cis men with low self confidence cry about diversity shown in arts and media:
>*sober* *sober* "Uhuhuhu, I'm a looser and feminist-gay-communist-islamist(/jewish)-SJW conspiracy destroys my ideal world, where I am supposed to rule because <random chauvinist/religious/racist lies>" *sober* *sober*
| >>531514 this is what happen when you blindly defense you stance without knowing the context. You just make yourself look like a clown.
The one that's crying and making uproar are the pro-LGBT and SJW community. It was leaked that the game "turns" a trans chacter to male.
| Wow, this is a pretty long thread, maybe it would be a good idea to make a new one regarding the topic directly and now talking about it on /v/, just saying, people might be missing it because it isnt it is not categorized optimally.
| >>531514
Found the 16 year old bedroom feminist.
Also, you misunderstood the argument and this looks really dumb.
| >>531744
They are taking the shit, leave the bait to rot in the bowls that it came from.
>ZIGGY POLIO LACY, Stay classy capcha
| >>531430
A large money grubbing Corporation is ONLY going to listen to widespread customs outrage; They're not people, they're money focused and aren't going to listen to basic human morality and equality, you have to make it readily apparent on a wide scale that they're doing shitty things to the extent it could damage their brand and thereby their precious profits
| Waitwaitwait. What happened?
I thought Catherine was pretty chilled in regards of portraying trans characters?
| Oh.
| >>531903
Exactly!
Done the gamma autistic nerd care about trans people and their representation? If Erica becomes the butt of the jokes and they find it funny and sales increase, you can be assured that the next game will have even more hilarity on Erica.
| ^It is a rising cause of debate.
It would be more beneficial for the company to attract a more contemporary forward-thinking audience rather than flogging stale jokes.
| Get mad OP. Lol "this is horrifying", What the fuck is worng with you. Did you even play the first game or are you just following the outrage culture. You were never a fan you re just mad for your sake.
| >>531903 not buying their game is still more powerful move, though.
Public outrage can't be measured. Some people that are offended/ yelling boycott, might not be the target demographics to begin with.
Plus, how many public outrage that EA has gained again? Their games still sold millions even if people are constantly shitting on them and threaten to boycott their games.
| Don't like it? Don't buy it. Enough people don't buy and the franchise/company will be forced to change/close shop.
Most of these people that are complaining about Catherine have played P5. Idk why they hope Atlus will change if they keep buying their games after they have "wronged" the LGBT community in P4 and P5.
Just like how ironic shitposting is still shitposting; buying shit games to shit on them is still count as buying the game.
| I used to think like you once. Thoughts like omg liek why are they so bad and racist. Heres the thing, its just masturbation. If you ve done your part in mending the bridge between your trans and the regular society instead of condeming others then you are truly a better person than I am. At my own self reflection I puked at my own self rightouesness desire to be at a moral high ground. The actual trans people never desire your support and youre just using them as an outlet>>85dc48
| >>532002
If it's only you and your buddies not buying it, instead of a large-scale movement, then it's not gonna matter a lick to large corps.
But I don't think an outrage is the answer either for something like this. The point just kinda get lost in the debris.
Just... get the word out and hope it'll reach someone at Atlus and they can learn from it? I'm an optimist. And Atlus has been pretty friendly with their fans from what I've seen
| >>532005 same gurl, different ip. Ok, what "large scale" can be done to a niche dev like atlus? Other than persona franchise, their games are niche oriented. Especially Catherine, it is an "adult oriented" puzzle platformer game.
If somehow a large scale movement is able to be organized, I would highly guarantee that a lot of people inside the movement is not Atlus's customer to begin with.
| >Atlus has been pretty friendly with their fans
Sorry, I can't help but to scoff at this.
How many version of Persona 3 and 4 are there again? Atlus has milked both game until they reach meme status.
After people hated P4 anime, Atlus gave the right to P5 anime to the same studio that made P4 anime.
A lot of people want to play Atlus game in PC. Atlus responded with DMCA-ing PS3 emulator that were able to emulate P5 on PC.
| >>f0a9c6 why should i care about trans? They'll probably kill themselves in a decade. Cant really expect them to play catherine 3.
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| Well, this exploded recently from minor concern over the trailers to “holy shit this is horrifying.”
Why can’t P-Team and Hashino, you know, not actively punch down on and try to invalidate the existence of trans people? I was playing through P5 recently and now I can’t not feel dirty at seeing their fingerprints everywhere in this regard.