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Should VNs be considered games?
| If the vn doesn’t have some type of gameplay mechanic, no. Vn are kinda like a choose your own adventure book but in the form of a computer program
| I'd say that the ones with choices and multiple endings are, the other ones are just books
| If it has game element, then it is a game. If it is just "clicking at choices" then it is not.
So, Phoenix Wright, Sengoku Rance, and VA11-HALL-A are games.
While Clannad and Fate/StayNight, and Katawa Shoujou are not
Can't comment on Danganronpa, I haven't play it. But Neptunia is obviously a game; a low budget JRPG. That's why they don't bother modeling the town or animating in game cutscenes; and replace outside dungeon content with VN style dialog box and still background.
| Then there's stuff like Little Buster. Which is basically a VN, with some mini games. But I won't consider it as a game, because those mini games can be skipped.
| depends on how active I am as a player and the degree of interactivity.
I can safely call Doki Doki Literature Club a game. You have various ways other than "press x to read" to unlock narrative content (both in the plot and around the game itself), and certain ends feel like failstates.
If I can't call a VN like that a game, neither can I call Monkey Island a game.
| Yeah they're games.
| I think they're games if they have choices and multiple endings. Otherwise, they're just a digital book.
| Books with mixed in games sometimes
| just like how people aren't strictly male and female, digital interactive thingies don't need to strictly be games and non-games either :^)
| Books don't have visuals, music, animations or choices. VNs are games.
| >>303903 this is correct for biology* but most of the other side of the argument is psychological instead afaik.
*Some people have 3 chromosomes instead of 2, these people are called biologically one gender still even though they may not have many of the traits of that gender
| Everything is a game
| Visual novels are visual novels, really.
| They are games lol,
| In my opinion (that means nothing to anyone and I know this) I just call VN their own thing. An entirely new category.
Now if you wanna start an internet fight, do games like FF:XIII and heavy rain count as movies where you press X to play?
| Text Adventures are video games too so yes.
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| I know, I know. It's an old topic that's been overdone. But still is it fair to treat something like Clannad as a video game when all you do is read and occasionally click on one of the boxes. Especially since Neptunia, Danganronpa and the likes exist which combine vn elements with actual gameplay to achieve the same thing