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Why is the western Touhou fanbase cancer?
| >>260726 Well, doujin and porn are creative work too. But mostly because the memes and shitty jokes are things that requires the less engagement to the actual game.
Really, you don't need to play touhou, even you don't need to know that touhou is a game to be able to share the meme or porn
I mean, you get the reddit and you should just stay there, why bother looking at reposted 9gag meme on people facebook?
| It's because waifus.
| Odds are you're just noticing what you don't like more than the rest. The google+ Touhou community I've joined features a lot of what you'd consider great art.
To be honest I haven't seen much Touhou ecchi overall, you must have good friends :)
| >reddit and motk
>Not absolute cesspools
Your story doesn't check out, op
| Are they really the "fanbase" and not just random dumb weaboos?
| Japanese fanbase is literally 80% erotic art and the rest is music
| >>260726
After a few Sorts, my top 3 are Ran, Parsee, and Junko. I don't particularly dig into memes and definitely not porn, I just like the games.
Maybe you just hang around the wrong people.>>260726 >>260726 >>593a9b >>260726
| >>3c2a63
If you look closely enough, there are actually many fan game , serious douniji and fanfic. all written in Japanese (why...)
| Shit is allways cover gold. If you want see some normal fans (like me) you need to dive in to this shitty ero staff and serch inside
| I feel like its the same thing with the shantae series
| Couldn't this be said about every fandom tho. Most touhou fans I know like character concepts more than lewds.
| I only have a problem with the "hurr durr toohoo is harder" fans.
| as a newfag who has never played 2hu, enjoys lewds and memes, I think I might be the problem
| Every fandom has cancer.But 2hu cancer is kinda special.
| games are too hard and the doujin scene is amazing so secondaries and tertiaries will always outnumber the TRU fans. ZUN should start making games in a genre that's easier to enjoy
| >>262811 zun doesn't need to do shit lmao. those people can just play on ez mode if they can't handle any other mode, no excuse for not playing the games
| >>262811 this is exactly why I against easy mode for dark souls. No matter how loud the cry. Because even if DS adds easy mode, gurl like this will emerge from the sea of tears and meme; demanding even easier stuff and inventing excuses.
| dark souls isn't hard, touhou is hard because it requires autistic rote memorization,,,
| >>264190 wat? The first minute or so of almost every boss in darksouls is spent memorizing the boss's moves and pattern
Yes, not everything is similar, like you can't just hit the bosses in touhou on the butt until they die, but both require the same basic skill
| Humans are very skilled at pattern recognition, they use this skill to keep track of their environment, find good sources of food, and for pleasure.
| I think you need to reevaluate what you define as cancer.
FNAF was a cancer fandom. Touhou doesn't even come close.
| I've talked with a lot of Touhou fans on various discord communities and twitter and a lot of them genuinely appreciate the art floating around; it's not all porn. I feel like most of the Touhou community treats the music being good as a given considering how many people got into it through the music.
Some may complain about "secondaries" and how they dont play the game and whatever other elitism they want to spew,but really Touhou is a lot more than just a game(both canon and not)
| >>264948 There are actually multiple doujinshi (meaning "self-published work" not "porn manga") by ZUN himself (he didn't draw them he did the story).
I don't personally enjoy the games all that much but all the music, art, and such created by the community are all great.
| I like the characters and how fan works portray them, along with the music and memes
| >implying Reddit isn't cancerous
| >debating if fanbase is cancer or not
Yall realize there's 250 post of nothing but nep in /a/, right?
No discussion, no news, nothing important, nothing original. Just nep, pure unfiltered meme, fresh from the cancer.
If you think the fanbase of xxx game is cancer, always remember to look at that thread in /a/
| >because touhou is, itself, cancer
| >>265325 >>265377 I think based on OP's description of cancer, it is
>So many people who talk about neptunia/burg are just obsessed with either exdee-character-memes or nep/burg spam
>there's just no love for the music, the gameplay
>I've seen people try to post their art but it gets drowned in a torrent of nep/burg
| >>265440 might fit op's (nep is lewd by itself so not sure how well that works) but doesn't mean op is using a good definition :p
| I'd say the nep thread and /burg/ are closer to an in joke that people keep saying
| >>265749 define "really cancerous" I visit touhou sub every other day and don't see the cancer. Yes, a lot of times fanart are 4th repost, sometimes memes and inside jokes went to far. But that's it. If you are brave and see content on youtube, I think there's a touhou channel dedicated to shit on undertale and other games.
| >tertiaries larping as secondaries pretending they're not cancerous
if you don't beat the games on the regular you are 100% cancer.
>b-b-but much head canon!! much fan works
lmaoin@ u
| Knowledge of original material in any fandom is not elitism, its simple mandatory.
| >>266090 I'd argue you don't need to play the games as long as your aware of where it started, saying people's art and such is invalid because they never have is what I'd call elitist
| take a shot everytime someone says 'cancer' in this thread
| >>266090 this. Secondary fans, or "fans of the fandom" can die in a fire. The games are cheap or, if you don't want to pay, have been torrentable for years before they were translated officially. Just fucking play The 2hu games.
| >>266129 no that's called rational. Fan art is fine, but not even bothering to experience the source material is inexcusable. Basically spouting memes or jokes without the context of the source behind them. This goes for any fanbase. If you got time to shitpost about it, you have time to catch up abd know what youre shitposting about.
| Honestly, the problem isn't the western fanbase, but the fanbase as a whole.
| >>266129
This is an odd thing to be sure. Would you call yourself a fan of Cowboy Bebop if you never watched the show? Would you say you're a fan of Earthbound if you've never played it? Would you say you're a fan of Marvin Gaye if you've somehow never listened to his music?
| >>266569
> "If you don't play a thing you can't talk about the thing, doesn't matter how much you know if thing you can't talk about thing"
| >>266876 you can be a fan of the art of any visual media without having ever watched/played it just like you could be a fan of some music without learning to play it yourself
| This gatekeeping is kinda dumb it's like "your not a real gamer/comic/2hu fan do you know what/who (obscure thing) is)
| You could argue you can't enjoy it too it's fullest if you hadn't played it for both the game and music and have a point but that's not a good reason to tell people they're cancer for fan art
| >>266923 nobody in this thread is saying the fanart alone is cancer. the degenerates who are in it to shitpost, spam outdated/unfunny memes, and fap to shitty hentai without even bothering to play one of the games are the real tumors of the fanbase
| >>267053 I'd agree that people who are unfunny and shitposting are cancer, but not because they haven't played the game, but because they're cancer
| The porn on the other hand I don't see any reason for that section to pay the games, it's not like zun is the best artist for character reference
| I played a lot of hisoutensoku am I a real gamer?
| >>266918
> just like you could be a fan of some music without learning to play it yourself
That wasn't the criteria though. The example said that the hypothetical person never even heard the song, so how can they be a fan of a song they have never heard of?
Liking the fandom of a thing does not men you like the thing, just the fandom. I've read a bunch of Eva fanfic and liked it, but I don't call myself a fan of Eva since I never watched the show.
| >>266922 gatekeeping is a buzzword used by fake fans who get upset when called out for riding the bandwagon
| Who gives a shit anyways it's a fucking videogame
It's not worth making a big deal about lmao
| >>267917 I disagree, gatekeeping is pretty simple, people who are very into something saying that someone else isn't a fan of that thing because they don't know as much as them usually
| >>267431 they could be a fan of the song without having heard it by seeing the sheet music and lyrics
| (And I'm aware that argument wasn't made it was intentional) how can you truly enjoy music without having played it, this can relate to the whole lot playing 2hu thing by saying they watched a stream, are they still cancer in your eyes
| (just typed a long reply and it ate it ;-;)
| (I always cut/refresh/paste before posting a long reply to avoid this stuff)
| >>267431 for the second point, fans of the fan base are still likely to call themselves fans of a thing and fan of community and fan of original are rarely ever specified
In your case it sounds like your totally unattached from the reference material and just like the writing of the fan fiction authors, imo you sound like a fan fiction fan not a fan of that show.
| I think we're arguing over different definitions though, I played all the souls games and like them but because I don't care about the community I don't call myself a fan.
I think someone could be a fan of dark souls for example if they knew a lot about the lore because that's what they're interested in without ever playing the game, there are resources for item descriptions and the rest outside of the game and they might not like the difficulty.
| I don't actually know that much about 2hu but I like the music and zun is an awesome dude but I wouldn't call myself a fan, so it's sort of amusing/strange that I'm the one defending people.
And just for fun.
HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU'RE A REAL FAN IF YOU DON'T KNOW ZUNS FAVORITE CHARACTER?!
| fc844d is prime example of tertiary in denial wwwwww
| Also mind explaining tertiary to me
| From Reddit:
How does a tertiary fan work? If a fan enjoys the games, a secondary enjoys only the fanworks, then do tertiary fans enjoy the... I'm really at a loss here.
| So the 2hu community breaks 'fans' down into what they like then? Well I might fall into tertiary then by definition but it's hard to be in denial of something I was unaware of 3 seconds ago :p
| I don't really understand what the breaking down of fan groups does though other than make "primary" fans feel better? Seems like it's just to insult and act superior.
| >>268905 it is lol, life is too short to get as butthurt as these guys over something so irrelevant
| ZUN himself was the creator of the primary/secondary divide
| Or not it thanks Swype
| Hard time finding a source for that but it's likely I don't know where to look.
| I believe the divide is caused by people who, liking the shmups and wanting to talk about those, often cannot do that because everybody else is more interested in screaming CHEEEEEEEN, or gushing about how cute Rumia is, or how they want to give Reisen 500 babies, etc.
Not to say elitism is not involved, but that being unable to reasonably talk about a shmup on a forum dedicated to that shmups and having to trudge through power level discussion based on fanfiction is annoying.
| SHMUPs are a very gameplay focused genre, and its fans are very gameplay focused. Touhou often gets a lot of flack because its fans treat it more like a SOL anime and don't even play the video games (Not counting fan games).
Because of this, people who do just want to talk about the games and their systems end up double ostracized: They can't properly talk about Touhou on the Touhou board because most people are talking about memes or who they want to marry...
| ...And they can't talk about it on SHMUP forums because they get chased out because people will assume they just want to talk about memes, who they want to marry, and porn. It hurts more because Touhou is the face of SHMUPs, more than R-Type, Gradius, or even DoDonpachi. The face of a super niche genre is a game many of its fans either don't play, or think is some kind of anime/VN.
I think this is why the Primary/Secondary divide is made.
| Also, at least on places like 4chan, Touhou secondaries are one of the most, THE MOST, obnoxious, aggressive, and yes even elitist posters on thag site. They are only second to ponies, which arguably make them worse. They will shove their fanfiction/art in to every visible oriface, will intentionally antagonize people en masse, and will even spam entire boards in to being useless, flooding them with Touhou and other cute girl stuff.
If one judged on that, secondaries AREA cancer.
| Also, fangames are getting boxes releases in the West before the actual games. Kind of odd to see a Touhou fangame on shelf at Target to be sure.
| >>269308 not saying they aren't cancer just the the reason has little to do with whether or not they played the game.
>>269299 that's a shitty position to be in, though it makes me wonder why/if they're is/isn't a form with more strict posting rules
>>269309 it's sort of strange to think that the fan games are likely going to be what people associate the 'touhou' name with unless they look deeper than a box in Target
| Just for the meme, most of what I know about 2hu comes from a 2hu fan game speedrunner does that make me a quaternary fan :thinking:
| >>269326
>the reason has little to do with whether or not they played the game.
To the contrary, I think it does. Touhou has generally weak artwork, which is odd sinc people gush over the series for its character designs and its music. Most people would not take a look at undead-zombie Reimu and think "I want to pork that". Those sorts tend to be introduced to the series through fanart, and from there they often go to porn before the SHMUPs.
| Unfortunately, cute girls tend to attract some of the nastiest, most loudmouthed, crass, and vulgar people you can imagine. Touhou is actually the quintesential example of this, which has people posting girls and porn all over the places because they can't help themselves. Thus the entire fanbase gets a bad reputation as being porn addicts or lolicons.
Other examples include Kancolle, and the most extreme version of this is My Little Pony.
| Because the games themselves are modest, difficult to play, and rather silly/incoherent, the people who are moat likely to be the sort to obsess over girls and shove this obsession everywhere often do not play the games. The came for cute girls and character specific jokes, what interest so they have in some old-timey video game with crappy art?
While the primary fans may have made joke (Help me Eirin, China, (9)), secondaries drove them in to the ground with mass use.
| >>269357 ehh that's how it is with every meme, starts as an in joke, spreads to people who don't understand the context but think it's funny for some reason and spam the shit out of it
| >>269354 just because someone played 2hu for 5min doesn't mean they will stop being a toxic shitposting fuck
| I'm losing myself a bit, and may not have been as coherent as I wanted to be. But from my own experience with the fandom, the so-called secondaries really do not play the games, and some seem to actively dislike them. Many people came for fanart of girls and music, and from that they often branch to porn. If a new game comes, the interest for them is the possibility of more girls, with porn being a given.
| >>269363 sure but it's good to differentiate not whether or not they played the game, but what their interest is, which is what I think you do anyway
| >>269367 I say that because I'm sure there are people who like both and that way you don't have the odd mix of a good shmup player who mostly wants porn
| >>269362
They wouldn't be much of a fan if they only played for 5 minutes. :P
I used to be in to Touhou big time about a decade back. While I did play games like Imperishable Night, Mystic Square, and Mountain of Faith, I spent much of my time with the fandom. And that time rubbed off on me as I found myself very interested in fanfic, fanart, and eventually porn, even loli porn at times. When I went back to official material, I found the games very unlike the collective fanon.
| >>269371
>They wouldn't be much of a fan if they only played for 5 minutes. :P
Right but the criteria was playing the game not being a fan of the game :p
| >insulting someone over opinions in [current year]
LUL
| >>269373
Cute, but doesn't quite work as being a fan of a game requires that you have played it. I don't hear people say:
> "I'm a fan of Deus Ex, though I never played it".
Or
> "I love Megaman, I have mountains of fanart of him and his cute sister. What's my favorite game? I don't play those, they're lame!"
The secondaries, from my limited experience, thrive in games/franchises with a large, female only cast.
| So where does reading the official mangas and stuff like that get you?
| >>269384 I'm sure it's rare but with the popularity of lore channels on YouTube for stuff like the souls series I'm sure there are plenty of people into DS or Deus ex without having played it, not really sure if they'd call themselves fans though
| Another thing about that, someone could watch a YouTuber/steamer play every game in the series and can themselves a fan without ever playing it and also love the fan art, it's not accurate to lump them with the people who only want porn because they haven't played it
| Just took a peek at the touhou Reddit and I understand the animosity better now, so I maintain, classify people on what they're in the fandom for rather than if they play (what I think you're already doing) otherwise some of those would fit in the shmup section of the community
| insane obsessed schizo ^
| >>269665 takes two to argue, I'm just replying.
I'm not actually invested in this one way or the other I just like to argue :p
| >>269489 you used that one before I know you are more creative than that really try to hit me hard
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| So many people outside of Reddit and MotK who talk about Touhou are just obsessed with either exdee-character-memes or lewds. No matter which YouTube video, Facebook group, popular social media in general, there's just no love for the music, the gameplay, the creative side of the fanbase, people just want to see their precious fuckin Flan chan in a bikini.
I've seen people try to post their art but it gets drowned in a torrent of ecchi. Ugh.