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Media is not identity
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| Or if you call out how a show handled one of it's themes distastefully. If you call out a game for having some weirdo shit in it. If you show distain for an actor or musician who's done some fucked up shit
A lot of people seem to tie their identity to the media they like, and it's just kinda sad. People who are older than me have gotten mad at me irl for me criticising something we both enjoy. Like, grow tf up lol
| >>964504 lol
Forgot this was a weeb board for a sec. Maybe this ain't the right place for this conversation
| Although I will say that I think the problem isn’t really personality driven I think it moved more by fear than anything else ( ie fear that the media you like will be misinterpreted in a negative way or the fear that your favorite artist might actually be a scumbag)
| People like to simplify stuff. If someone did something good we just assume that person is good in everything. Complicating stuff makes people angry.
Another example is when we subconsciously trust opinions of famous actors on politics, climate, and so on. It is doesn't make any sense if you think about it.
| *It doesn't
Well, anyway, there is probably nothing we can do about it I guess.
| Maybe the one who bring it up first (like author A is a horrible person) intended to criticize the media or the creator, not the fans. But how can they know that down the line, the attack on the media won't be also attributed to the fans?
Just look at the recent wizard game. It went from "Author is anti-lgbt" to "boycot a game based on her book" to "anyone who stream/play or say that they want to play the wizard game is anti-lgbt"
| >>964513 best we can do is have nuanced conversations about the media we consume. If we're lucky, overtime more people will realize they can like or dislike a creation regardless of how good its creator is...
Then again this is a direct parallel of brand identities which are a big thing in some places. People like attaching themselves to things they had no part in creating, and I don't see that going away anytime soon.
| >>964518 yeah that discussion got muddy really fast. People whose identity includes never feeding bigots were portrayed as the entire boycott by some, even though there were plenty of nuanced voices saying "buy it if you want to, just know who you're funding". And somehow buying a bad game became an "I financially support bigots" badge of honor. Strange times.
Would be cool if we all detached our identities from our consumerism.
| if only,,,
| What a waist of symbols...
| if that was bait. . . youre a master baiter, , ,
| >>964523
Yeah, exactly. People get so overly attached to such hollow things as products, which includes media cause that's just commodified art
>>964518
They can't know that, but a stranger on the internet saying "everyone who does X is Y" shouldn't mean anything to somebody with a functional brain. That's like roleplaying being oppressed by Twitter liberals lol
>>964512
Yeah, it doesn't make sense at all. It's like assuming a janitor is automatically a good person because they..
| wash the floors good. It's literally just people doing their jobs, making products. But since media is more closely tied to whoever made it, people think like that
>>964507 fair lol
>>964508
But like, why is that so scary for people? I consume and enjoy media that I think there's a lot of things wrong with and regularly critisise. I'd even go as far as to say some of the games and shows I've liked have been straight up morally corrupt and trash. That don't affect me personally
| >>964576 In our current system, brand has replaced religion for lots of people. Since many people are attached to their favorite media as if it were a faith, hp fans will get extremely defensive when their books are called antisemetic in the same way christians will get defensive when their book is called misogynistic.
| >>964586
You're 100% right. There's a very intentional lack of critical thinking skills in people nowadays. Enforced within capitalism the same way religious institutes do
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| To add to the other points here, there has also be a decline in the sense of communities. And the decline of communities existing in general. I think strong ties of identity to brands/media stems from that. Individuals looking for a group to belong to now go to an online gathering of fans for a specific thing, rather than a familial and geographic group to belong to. So for some attacking media is also attacking the community they belong to and, by extension, themselves.
| >>964635
True, true. The isolation that's come with late stage capitalism is honestly at fault for creating a lot of weird shit. Humans are not built to me separated like that so the lonely cunts that are slowly going insane gathering online, in communities built specifically around one piece of media, yeah...
That's sad
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| An absurd amount of people I see online (and irl tbh) are so weird about the media they consume. If you criticise something they enjoy they get defensive as if you're directly attacking them. Even if you criticise the creators of something they like they get upset
Like with Kentaro Miura for example. That guy was openly attracted to kids and put an unnecessary amount of rape into his work, but whenever that's mentioned all the parasocial ass Berserk fans start losing their shit