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How the hell does someone make a tulpa
| I don't know I'm pretty sure they just trick their mind into thinking there is someone else. You'd probably have to actually believe it's real like really real and talk in your mind as if you are talking to someone and eventually someone will talk back I hear. Basically more or less like giving yourself a mental illness imo so I dunno why anyone would do so but some people claim they are great and say you can make one for just about anything.
For example one for doing taxes.
| tulpa.info
| Don't.
What you're talking about is at worst summoning an entity that will ruin your existence and at best giving yourself a schizoid-adjacent mental illness.
Come on now.
| Isn't it called schizophrenia? "^ยข
| >>732909
even then it doesn't matter. all ITT retards that think it's psychologically possible to give yourself schizophrenia don't know anything about schizophrenia. and in this regard, 'mental illness' remains purely a matter of perspective.
| >>732909
even then it doesn't matter. all ITT retards that think it's psychologically possible to give yourself schizophrenia don't know anything about schizophrenia. and in this regard, 'mental illness' remains purely a matter of perspective.
| help maids my mental illness spawned 2 fucking posts
| >>732919
lol here we go with the "actually i have a mental illness so i know all uwu" condescension
protip: literally deluding yourself into believing you have created a separate entity is indeed mental illness. That isnt a judgement call, it just is. No one is saying that it will give him clinical schizophrenia so much as a possible schizoid disorder, which tracks with having non-stim induced hallucinations.
like damn lmfao just dont do shit like this, it is negligent
| >>732934
>here we go with the "actually i have a mental illness so i know all uwu"
this proves that you're retarded. you literally started trying to invent my life.
also, fuck you, it's a judgement call. you don't hear anything about people deluding themselves into believing they're of a different gender.
| Doesn't sound like a good idea. Just don't intentionally fuck with your psyche like that. Ain't worth it. Trust me.
| This reminded me of that 4chan post about a dude that "created" a tulpa with the appearance of one of the MLP ponies, which did nothing but super loud high pitched screams 24/7.
I wonder if he's still alive...
| >>732957
the risk is obvious and higher if you have no idea what you're doing. but if you're straight and throrough the reward is high.
| OP I can't tell you how with certainty but I can tell you that the tulpa community is fucked. It's full of roleplayers and assholes. Anybody who talks about mental illness or tulpas' rights or wants you to know their name or tulpa's name by their username is someone you will not get good advice from.
I've heard that a good method is to write from a character's perspective a lot, but I never tried it.
| >>732962
I don't believe messing with the psyche in ways like that is good no matter how "thorough" you are. As someone who has suffered with hallucinations before and who's very close with a schizophrenic I can assure you that shit like that isn't fun. Even if it's "controlled" and something you do willingly, you're never in full control of your mind and changes like that in your psyche aren't really reversible. It'll fuck you up in one way or another no matter how "good" you are.
| I've also had a mild personality disorder, so the whole "having another person in your head" thing is something I'm no stranger to. While my situation was a little different in that I usually couldn't interact with her directly but rather got replaced by her randomly, I did interact with her indirectly and the few times where I was stuck in-between me being in control and her being in control and, well, it can bring nice moments but it steals so, so much of your time in life.
| Things like this, even if they're mostly positive, heavily limit what you can and can't do in your daily life, and it usually makes your mental state a lot more unstable than it probably already is.
So g/u/rls, don't intentionally inflict yourself with things that are along those lines. Don't fuck with your psyche like that. You should be glad that you're lucky enough to not have to experience shit like that. Some people don't have a choice, but you do. So take the right one.
| glad pretty much every response in here is reasonable
| >>732950
lol really overplaying your hands there
trans people arent deluded, they are fully cognizant of what their birth gender is and that physical transition is a material process.
they arent quite literally hallucinating tits or dicks onto themselves
to reiterate: literally programming/hypnotising/meditating/deluding yourself into believing that a separate entity that literally no one else can see exists...thats mental illness chief. Find your point before you reply btw
| >>733121 not them, but i do think it's not mental illness if it doesn't cause distress or harm to others. The argument that>>4bc5d5 is making makes sense, that actually it it's a bad idea, but just having a tulpa isn't a problem if it works for someone. Otherwise we're getting into the same realm as "religion/atheism/the youth etc is mental illness"
| >>733153
I have to disagree with you. Religion and this kinda shit are not in the same realm.
Visual and auditory hallucinations are a completely different thing from praying and believing in a karma system, or believing in "nothing" like with atheism.
Views like that is, well, views. Morales, values, principles you live by.
Hallucinations and stuff that comes from having a damaged psyche is mental illness, or at least, you know, some form of mental health condition.
| And again I'm not saying it has to be a bad one. I mentioned the mild personality disorder type thing I struggled with earlier, and while it was inconvenient to have it, that condition did make life more bearable as it is a coping mechanism that your brain can inflict on you to help you deal with how rough life is.
It had positive impacts on my mood and reduced my stress levels a lot, but, at the end of the day it's not correct and a sign of something in your psyche being wrong.
| Self inflicting yourself with conditions similar to that is bad no matter how you look at it. I mean, what I had, or at least some forms of it, is something that certain therapists intentionally trigger in people to help them cope with stuff like childhood trauma and help them open up about it, but it's something you always need to be careful with and the goal is never to inflict a permanent condition on yourself. That would be ridiculous and extremely irresponsible.
| >>733169 True. i was being unclear mainly objecting to the 'mental illness' label being thrown around loosely, i don't think people really should do it. But that's because responding to loneliness by doing something that'll make it harder to live in society isn't a good solution unless you live on a desert island or something
| >>733176
I mean, if you live completely deserted and on your own then your mind has probably done something like that for you already. You wouldn't have to try.
So, yeah. It's just a bad thing to do under any circumstances.
| >Visual and auditory hallucinations
There are no hallucinations involved in tulpas. It sounds like there is when tulpamancers try to describe what they call imposition, but if you look closely enough at the descriptions they give it turns out it's just another type of imaginary viewing of an object. Nothing shows up in your real eyes/ears. Honestly, it seems like feeling the presence of a tulpa is similar to the feeling of the presence of Christ I've heard of.
| Secondly and more importantly most of the people in this thread have been arguing that it's abnormal or dangerous and then saying "it's bad!" Not everyone dislikes danger or abnormality, and they might feel confronted if you imply they do. It's fine to say you think it's dangerous, or you think it's strange, or you don't want to do it, but I'd prefer if we could stay away from saying it's wrong or bad. That will lead to /new/ style arguments.
| >>733230
From my understanding, you're incorrect. The whole point of creating a tulpa instead of just an imaginary friend is that you want something that can be seen, heard, interacted with and can act on it's own. Even if it's something that purely can be observed and interacted with in your head without any visuals or "outside" voices, if it is a being that you don't control, which is the point, then that is psychosis territory.
Yet again, completely different from religion.
| >>733231
I'm pretty sure I should be allowed to say my opinion on the topic, even if it hurts the feelings of someone who defends this shit.
>Not everyone dislikes danger or abnormality
I don't either. But what I do dislike are people who defend people fucking up their lives. It's like people who start doing heroin not as a coping mechanism, a result of peer pressure and circumstances or anything else, but because a chara they liked in a Netflix show did it or some shit.
| Like, I get it. Weird shit with having people in your mind that are out of your control and can be interacted with and maybe seen or heard outside of your head, like, it's a really cool concept. It's a cool concept, and people in movies, TV shows, books or any other media who struggles with stuff like that are often cool and interesting characters.
But keep it fiction. Ruining your own psyche isn't "liking danger and abnormality". It's being uneducated and and irrational.
| >>733282 The point is not whether or not you should be allowed. I don't think it's wrong for you to say those things. I do think it will start an argument, and I don't want arguments on this board, so I told you what I would expect to happen. Sorry if that sounded like disapproval.
"liking danger and abnormality" and "uneducated and irrational" could easily be swapped here. It's not necessarily bad to be uneducated or irrational, you just disapprove of it.
| Maybe a clearer way to say it is to point out that the logic of your message seems to be "You shouldn't do this because it's bad; it's bad because you're ..."
There's no way to say that without implying that the person who is considering doing that is bad, perhaps even for considering it. The problem is not that that's being rude, the problem is that that will never generate a response that isn't inflammatory, because it's something that can be defended against.
| So, please, try to present it as your opinion, not a global moral truth.
| >>733293
I'm, not sure when I did that. I'm saying my personal opinion based on my own experiences. I never claimed that I am the truth.
>>733291
I also never said that people who think that are bad. It's bad to think like that, but it's not their fault that they think like that. It's not their fault that they're not educated on these matters and aren't experienced with it. It's not bad to want something like that, but irrationally acting upon it without knowing anything is dumb.
| There are people who do act on stuff like that without looking realistically at the consequences, without talking to people who are experienced with stuff like that and without researching how it affects your mental health, and, I can't blame them. Sadly, mental health is never discussed in the public, deeper than maybe the surface level descriptions of anxiety and depression.
So not doing research, but most people don't know that research is necessary, and that's not their fault.
| You don't. It's not real.
| >I also never said that people who think that are bad. It's bad to think like that
I don't think there is a person in this world who will interpret that in the way you meant. When I hear "It's bad to think like that," it's the same to me as "You are bad if you think like that." That's not your fault, of course, but I also think you're the one who can prevent that.
| But if someone, for example, were to read this thread. Read everyone's points. Yours, mine, the people both of us have either agreed or disagreed with, and they don't do their own research even after that? Then that would 100% be on them.
I don't always say things in a very nice way and I'm sorry if that makes it hard to understand what I'm saying. I'm just trying to give you g/u/rls info based on the psychology I know and the experiences of me and close ones with similar stuff.
| >>733298
If you read my explanation of what I meant by that instead of picking just that line, it isn't that hard to understand what I mean though, is it?
Originally, yes. I understand how it can be taken that way. But I don't see the point in complaining about the way I said it after I've explained what I meant.
| >>733300 I appreciate that you realize that you might be misunderstood because of that. I am not trying to say you shouldn't give that info, I'm just trying to give you advice on how to say things in a nicer way. Resolved?
| >>733301 In this case, I'm responding to the explanation instead of quoting the other posts. I had no problem with the explanation. The goal of my advice was to help you change that type of original response so we don't need to do this debate and explanation.
| >>733303
Well, thing is, I'm autistic. I'm literally unable to comprehend how people will, like, react I guess, to how I say things. I really do try my best, but I can't, like, turn off my autism. That's why I take my time to explain afterwards like I did now, because I'm just genuinely unable to understand what parts of the things I say might be rude or could be misinterpreted before someone points it out afterwards.
I really do try my best, but there's only so much I can do.
| >>733308 I find this interesting and I'd like to talk about it more but I also don't want to keep going on in this thread. If you want to keep talking about it to, would you add me on Discord? MysteryPig#2131
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