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Help me understand trans people (not bait I swear)
| Yeah, if gender is basically a role, then why tamper with your physical body? Dick is not that inconvenient, I think.
| antitrans thug here, i think it's got to do with it being a recent mainstream cultural fad. basically, the more it grows, the more it grows. it's mostly political now. many people are simply obsessed with it
| Im not trans, so I'm just speaking from what ive heard, and I think its more about being who you want to be, and for some people they dont feel like themselves as their current gender, so they switch
>>646349 I never really understood the whole "its just a fad" arguement because if it really is a fad then people had to have done it before it was a fad, and feel strongly enough about it to go against the norms at the time, and if you do something like that you have to have a reason
| >>646367
It's gotten popular and visible because it's a culture fad. Theres somewhere between 1-5% of the population naturally occurring, on average. Purely homosexual people are something like 8-12%.
There's also the fact that it's 'other', so rebellious children are drawn to it. And that it's caught up in sexual development and fetishes.
I've met dozens of people who claim they are trans, and maybe 3 that actually are.
| Woah g/u/rl ! Easy there !
You want to "Understand" ?
I mean, hell, that sounds like a lot of work...
There's a lot of things that I do or feel, which have never been taught directly to me, or explained to me... I don't have an understanding of it, no experience, no knowledge.
And still, I hate some stuff, I vibe with some other stuff. And I can't explain !
Maybe I don't have to understand, but I just need to know it exists somehow, be aware.
| Being trans is something that has been in society and part of history from like Ancient Greece maybe before. I’m a trans girl and it’s just a mismatched combo biologically. Female brain, male body. The transition is basically just pulling the body to match the mind.
| always down to answer more questions also
| >>646337 while for many people appearance/presentation is enough, some (but not all) of the reasons people physically transition are - 1. Gender dysphoria, which is super weird but (my impression as someone without it) is it's like your brain thinks your body should be different and causes distress like how missing limbs are horrible psychologically; 2. Unfortunately, it's often the only option for different presentation to be accepted with less chances of hatred or violence
| >>646398
I can get some links to some articles on it if you want, but basically there are certain parts of the brain and certain, like, brain activities (I'm not good with words) that are specific to a certain gender. It has been observed that boys with gender dysphoria have brain activity and shape that closer resembles a female brain than a male one, and the other way around. So basically, a GD male has a brain that's more femal than male, and that's why they want a female body.
| I like my girl clothes sometimes.
| https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm
| I'm on the same page with OP. Gays are okay. You totally don't have to fall in love with who society demands you to. But trans? Damn why would anyone do this, it's retarded. Why won't they dress as dolphins if they feel like they like a dolphin role.
| >>f3d6be bc it’s something you can not decide for yourself. And no it’s not like dressing like an animal it’s entirely not a choice. I did it bc now I actually like being in my body where I could not before, if that triggers you I’m sorry
| >>646411
>uses "trigger" unironically
and what's the difference between me being completely convinced that i am a yellow airplane? am i mentally ill or or just a transvehicular person?
this bs is slowly turning me into a homophobe
| >>646411
Bro I was using it ironically and the difference is I’m a person and I think I’m a person not a fucktard who thinks I’m a plane. Other kin and people like that are morons. Transgenderism is backed with science that shit isn’t. Don’t get afraid of gay people bc a trans woman talked to you lol
| >>646413
I love people like you. Fully ignorant and say completely retarded shit just for attention. Genuinely thinking "Haha lol Apache helicopter" and similar is good arguments, I feel bad for you. Being gender dysphoric is a scientific thing, not being able to accept that is just idiotic.
| >>646418
you just sound like you're mad because i'm not agreeing with you.
well it turns out that i still don't agree with you. and that despite your name calling worthless bullshit which was essentially a non-argument.
and what's that weak attempt at pseudo-science tyranny?
that's why _i_ hate fags like you, touchy and aggressively defensive that the world doesn't revolve around them...
| >>646419
i also hate what this is getting the thread into. every damn time!
every single fucking time!
| >>646418 I’m actually not mad at you, I know I’m an insignificant blink in space time and I want to be that much I like to be ignored. Genuinely I just like talking to people who have different beliefs than I do because I like to understand what other people think. We could be friends in another life maybe, maybe this one
| >>646423
you have almost appeased me dear internet mister
same for me kind of, except for the people part. i hate people in general.
also i'm not sure about the friends part - not for lack of want however (i'm just dysfunctional)
it's kind of weirding me out how you are like >>646418 and then suddenly you flip around like>646423...
| >>646424 eh I’m kinda high lol my b I also hate most people in general which is why I like to lurk on this board lol also that’s fair no worries:)
| >>646421
I shouldn't have started with name calling, but it's not entirely my fault when you just return it.
>>646424
We are different people. I'm the toxic one, she's the good one, so don't let my patheticness influence your perception of her.
>>646419
It's not pseudo science. If you decide to read up on it and educate yourself on the matter instead of getting defensive then you'd understand. You might still not agree but there is actual research on it that you choose to ignore.
| Oh, wait, hold up. I'm the retard here. Didn't read that shit properly. Nevermind that second part of my reply.
| >>646425
okay i like you
>>646426
and i don't like you i just want to chill with >646425 now
>>646427
wot happen
| >>646429
I'm just dumb. I thought you believed me and >>5a1422 to be the same person, but you obviously didn't.
Eh, sure. I just hope you consider looking into the research around it instead of calling it a disease, stupid trend or satanic or whatever else transphobic people call them. Trying to understand others, even if you disagree with them, instead of blindly hating them because they're different would be a lot better for all parties involved.
| >>646430
i am transphobic though. i still consider it a fad and have seen people fuck themselves up because they bought into it.
and i don't want that to happen to people.
and apparently that makes me a monster. and here's some fuel for contempt: i don't want this uselessness in this society.
so you are projecting when you say i hate the people; i hate the useless political degeneracy that fucks their lives over, boasting wild promises that cannot be held.
| https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0039/51/1493307615527.jpg
| Trans is great, we live in a world where we can nearly change every part of ourselves, so why not? The only thing stopping anyone is fear of being judged, weak thoughts if you ask me.
| >>646433 what about all the desperate men who actually became trans or well call themselves that then also call themselves lesbians just do they could get women. Not sure if any women actually fall for that kinda thing but it just seems like being straight with extra steps.
| >>646433
yeah let's all be strong trannies like https://lolcow.farm/ot/src/1568215026633.png
you're not judging are you?
| OP here. I was wondering how soon would this thread devolve into a shitshow, not that long as it turns out. As for the topic, I've seen some arguments about brain malfunction, ok, I could see how it all could go haywire because of wrong hormones or smth like that. But that is easily solved with HRT, why change your genitalia and boobies? I just don't see how can they be so important?
| >>646444
oh no no no no- wait till you see the-
>HORMONAL NORMALIZATION THERAPY
HHHCHRRRRRRRRRAAHAHAHAHA
>hormonal imbalance
>just fucking fix it
AAAAAHHHHHHAAHAHAHA E TU
E TU
| >>646448 I don't feel you my gurl, I'm legitimately trying to understand the thing here, I don't like to circlejerk, that hindera communication and produces hate
| >>646444
I wanna hear about that too !
Do some peeps have some sort of inner voice/instinct or whatever you call it, that tells you changing sex is the solution ? Or do trans people all have gone through some actual reasoning, like for example having tried every last thing that can make them live better, but it's still not enough so they have this option left... idk.
| This thread doesn't seem very productive. In my experience of dating a trans guy (FtM) it's not something that makes sense to nor can be easily explained to someone who doesn't experience disphoria. It's sort of like if you know, then you know. There are people who do it for attention, or because it's a fad, just like anything that finds it's way in the headlines. Some people simply don't feel like their personality and thoughts line up with their physical image, so they change it.
| >>646457
Yea but just in case I can hear the small part that is driven to those extremes, I wanna ask.
| >>646466 Some people go to further extremes such as getting their genetalia changed and breasts modified to suit their new gender. However from what I've heard it's just not that viable of a solution yet. I've heard of botched gender operations that cause the patient to feel intense amounts of pain even afterwords. I'm sure most trans people wish they were born the opposite gender, but it's not a realistic solution to undergo a severe life changing operation yet.
| >>646453
Do you not have feelings? Feelings you can't explain? Attractions to things, for example. Why do you feel like you want X over Y? Why do you prefer people who look like A over those who look like B? I feel like that's the best I can describe it for you. Your brain feels like your body is supposed to be like X, not like Y. Your brain feels like you're supposed to have A genitalia, not B. Those feelings can't just disappear, so why not help the people who have them?
| >>646470
The problem there though, is that it's not really viable for them to stay like how they're born. That's been proved to make them severely depressed. I feel like trying is definitely worth it. Sure, there are examples of people who it went horribly for, but there are also a lot of examples of people it went perfectly for.
| >>646471
for sure they can disappear, most mental disorders can be treated
>>646473
>there are also a lot of examples of people it went perfectly for
who
| >>646473 most of those supposed people it went perfectly for didn't actually do anything as far as bottom surgery I believe
| >>646474
Where is the proof that it's a mental disorder and can be treated?
>>646474 >>646479
Most good examples are of those who did it at a young age. The earlier the transition happens the better it works, basically. If you want to find specific examples, literally just use Google. Trans people not "looking trans" isn't something new. It's just that people who are against trannies and outrage media tend to only focus on the ones that only look partly like their desired gender.
| [1/3] Ever get the sense of deja vu? Like we've had this thread before? Oh wait... we have. At the end of the day, it's always the same arguments, whether it's on Facebook, Twitter, or our little Danger/u/, and when the thread is closed, and the comments section silent, no one will have come out of it more educated on the matter at hand. If you really want to learn more about the subject, OP, I'd recommend reading some academic articles.
| [2/3] Keywords would be "gender dysphoria", "transexual", "transvestism", and "transvestites". There's actually some pretty interesting theories and research out there, from both sides of the argument, if you care enough to look it up. If you want my opinion? I don't care enough about what some random person does to themselves to argue with them about it. And if I did care about the person (say they were a friend), then it would be wrong of me to stop them from...
| perusing something they believe is best for them. Sure, I would give them the facts, and show them the research papers from both sides. Yes, I would show them the outcomes both good and bad of those who have gone through what they're about to. It would be good of me to see to it that they're well educated on the implications of such a choice. But if they make an educated decision to go through with it, then that's their choice for their life.
| >>262091
>sees thread title
>sees replies
>oh_boy
okay no clue if anybody here has answered it and imma gtfo of here afterwards because this thread looks like a dumpster fire but i'll try and help you
it's pretty much like being gay in every way with the not-choosing-this-shit-it-just-happened thing. identifying with and wanting to be the other gender, whether because looks or feeling displaced when trying to relate to the same gender, or other shit like that. it's not really any
| thing that people want and choose for themselves but it just happens. wearing the clothing of the other gender and feeling happier. wishing voice was deeper or higher pitched to match the other gender. even wanting to just have sex as the other gender. it might not be the same for everybody, but a combination of these traits at least make somebody want to transition instead of sticking with their birth gender.
i'd recommend you see the memes on r/egg_irl because they're memes by
| people who deny being trans while kinda really being trans or having most of the traits of trans people. that i'd say will exhibit the thoughts and feelings pretty well while also being humorous because it's memes.
i don't really know what else to say other than that. hope this helped, bye!
| Dang this thread really took off, huh? It had zero replies when I went to bed last night.
>>646534
This is a good thread closer, thank you
| So far no one properly explained me why would someone change their genitalia. My running theory right now is that people just can't fully understand what is happening and start to think that they are unhappy because of how they look. If you are bothered by your looks there is ALWAYS something at the root of it.
Also I've seen many argumebnts explaining being trans like "they just feel that way" and I think that is very cheap.
Oh well, didn't want to, but off to sciencedirect I go
| >>646408 They're talking about the brain itself, not genetic makeup. Ofcourse you can't change chromosomes (yet)
>>67b7a4
A voice of reason? In *my* /u/?
| >>647297
Legit. It surprised me, but I'm glad we have genuinely reasonable people here, because I'm certainly not one of them and haven't seen one in a while.
| It is basically incel men trying to transition to live life in easy mode like women
| >>647405 the term incel simply means that someone that cant have sex or a relationship, it isnt a pejorative even if the connotation is negative. Trannies in general are ugly guys that cant get any love or attention so they simply transition
| >>647471
Eh, both of those statements are only half truths. While the original meaning of the word incel referred to someone who wants sex but can't get it it's more often used in synonym with a person who can't handle his lack of sex life and acts out on it.
There are pretty boys who turn trannies too. It's about identify and not looks. Just look at Thailand lol.
| >>b37340 yeah retards started to use it for every single thing like simp and cuck so dont be one of them
Prettyboys/ladyboys in thailand gets a lot of atttention and money as well, demand for even the slightly feminine looking individiuals is far more then the average men. Life is rigged for the benefit of women
| >>647486 it's not a matter of being rigged in favor of women... there are two sides of sexism, you just only see what affects you. What you say about there being more 'demand' for feminine people, i guess in dating, wouldn't make sense to a woman who's had bad experiences/success with it
| >>3d2302 I dont think it is possible to be unsuccessfull at dating as a woman; hell just create two Tinder accounts, one average male (average height, income etc) and one landwhale female. I am willing to bet that the obese woman will get more matches than the average man lmao
| ^ that's true tbh
| >>647486
I wouldn't call the other definition of incel retarded. It's certainly more useful than the original definition. Besides this is how languages naturally form. There's nothing retarded about it.
>>647520
>I dont think it is possible to be unsuccessfull at dating as a woman
Haha what!? Do you even know any women? Trust me, lots of them have had bad dates.
| >>647520 of those men, how many are good or even safe matches? It's true that there are more men looking online than women, or they're at least more confident doing so. But that's got roots in the behavior that women are used to recieving, especially in semi-anonymous places, and the roles people are traditionally taught they should have in relationships. Does that mean some men are unfairly stigmatized? Yes. Sexism affects men too... but that's too, not only
| Support trans people if you think your gender should be about what *you* do and need and are percieved as, instead of what millions of assholes decided over time for various reasons that you should do and need and be percieved as... that's part of the whole thing
| >>b37340 "useful" for shutting down a discussion like people on the right calling everything "libtard/liberals" and people on the left calling everything "racist/sexist", it is just straight out manipulative. Also yes I have a lot of female friends that I talk and have fun with, when they spill the tea you learn quite a lot. They have "bad dates" because they are massive hybristophiliacs, their adoration for malicious men/criminals tend to eventually bite them in the ass
| >>3d2302 yeah I agree, majority of men are tards that think with their dicks because they are wired to be that way, humanity is gynocentric and traditionalism is basically men wanting to provide and wageslave for women
You can try to ignore the society that you are living in but in the end everything about you is determined by them, you will be known by the labels/roles that were imposed upon you by them
| what a shit fucking thread filled with betas just stop and shut up
| Yeah. This is honestly just pathetic. The thread was ended long ago, and y'all are so desperate to show dominance over anons that you can't help yourself from fighting over nothing. I wish we didn't have people like that on /u/.
| >>b47a81
You're obviously bullshiting and we both know it. You need to get off the Internet more and meet real people.
| Why can't people understand that the only significant differences between male and female are appearance and minor physical characteristics
| >>647585
Actually there are slight differences in how our brains are wired too. While I'm not very educated on the subject I know that women in general are better than men at tasks that require recollection and verbal memory while men in general has a faster reaction time.
| >>647593 I know the science, all of those things are ethier not concrete or reeeaaaally minor (or overall bullshit)
| >>647594 oh, right, they control reproduction function (that includes reproductive behavior, not general behavior) and how big are your tits
| >>647600
I don't think they are. I'm currently following the sources from Wikipedia and it's pretty interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences
| And only one or two less than 5 years old
| >>647605
Yeah? It's not like the science will change in that timeframe... If newer sources are available that contradicts the old ones it would've showed up in the article.
You said you know the science but do you have any scientific sources?
| >>647607 usually a scientific source is considered most relevant when it's <5 years old. And science changes a lot in that small timeframe. And it wouldn't have showed up in the article because wikipedia is trash.
I could dig up stuff for you, but that would be too much work for a small internet argument before bed. I encourage you to do it yourself if you are interested though, sciencedirect and springer are places to go (maybe others but those are which I use).
| >>647609
>me denying evolution not because of religion but because that happened like two hundred years ago and we should have come up with a new idea since then
| Look up trans suicide rates, that's a good indicator of how smart of an idea this is
| >>647665 that's a shitty analogy and you know it. There were a shitton of changes to evolution theory since Darvin, and possibly more to come. And neuroscience is relatively new field (one century is nothing), so there is definitely nothing concrete solid there
| Plus I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying that it is better to look at fresher data
| Wow. >>67b7a4 called it. No one's more educated on this subject whatsoever. What a productive thread!
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| So I've been hearing about this transgender thing lately and I can't really grasp why would anyone would want to change their gender besides appearance. Help?