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Artists shouldn't cancel each other
| >get some internet points
>if you succeed in fucking up their career, have less competition
What's not to like?
| >>621684
But you get just as much if not more and better opportunities by not doing, no? Like, if artists become homies they can promote each others art and gain a shared and bigger audience. They could also collaborate on stuff, and if they regularly interact with eachother on something like Twitter people will start enjoying them as personalities and be more likely to stay around. That's a lot of long lasting internet points.
| When it comes to the other part, artists looking at other artists as competition is the most insecure shit. Like, if you are so insecure about your skills to make good art that you want to take down other artists, you're kind of a sick person, and toxic to both yourself and your surroundings. I see the stuff you can do together with other artists as much more valuable with long lasting positive effects than being a toxic cunt just to gain a few quick, toxic followers.
| look at how problematic that artist over there is though. not like me! i exclusively draw holy things! god is my muse! not satan, like that other artist!
| >>622038
Callouts are just flexing to your audience. Social media marketing is a game of chicken, act opportunistic or be forgotten.
Unpopular opinion: art needs gatekeeping. Before you say "art is subjective" or I'm an elitist, true art makes an effort to show you something new. When people talk of great art they say "it changed my life". Stroking egos and penises won't enrich shit. This would be fine if this fast food had not replaced art. Art loses the pandering game by design.
| >>622038
The thing is a lot of artists and art influencers are ready to draw blood at a moment's notice for some social capital. Follows some art directors and you can get an idea of what the scene is like, where having the wrong opinion (publicly) makes you anathema.
>>622237
Art already has a form of gatekeeping, in the skill needed to do it. In this age of instant gratification a lot of people aren't willing to put in the time to git gud.
| >>622243
>Art already has a form of gatekeeping, in the skill needed to do it.
It's a lot easier to make impressive artwork today, you can make digital paintings with almost no painting, and formally skilled artists are dime a dozen, but skill shouldn't be the only form of gatekeeping in the first place. The well executed trash out there is still trash, because it just gives people what they ask for in a nice package.
I know that nobody sees a problem so arguing is pointless.
| >>622249
It's not that no one sees it as a problem, it's that you get into areas where you start sounding like MovieBob and talking about how audiences need to do this or that for the sake of the medium, and no one wants to sound like that cunt.
Artists will talk shit about Sakimichan for days, but normies who can't see anything wrong with her work will never care, and they're the ones who pay the bills.
| Let people create the soykaf they want and move on if it isn't your thing. Gatekeeping doesn't achieve soykaf. It's a meme and should die like one.
| >>622343
>and they're the ones who pay the bills.
Not really, she gets paid because she parasitizes intellectual property. She wouldn't make a penny without constantly churning out 'fanart'.
| >>622377
Fanart is how a lot of artists gain a following, even artists who go on to become legit. CLAMP started with Jojo doujins, for example. There's nothing wrong with fanart.
Sakimichan is the Thomas Kinkade of fanart, which is to say her art appeals to normies who don't see the problems artists do. She absolutely would make money without fanart, just not as much or as fast.
| >>622378
As I said it's pointless to argue. It's the argument of instant gratification vs. a long term reward, and younger people don't even know what the latter is.
It's sad that "the Thomas Kinkade of fanart" will soon be all art produced in the future, and eventually there won't be a new thing to make porn of, only more porn of things that already exist, and remixes and reboots. God this fucking sucks so much, I'll die listening, reading and watching stuff from 40 years ago.
| >>622390
>"the Thomas Kinkade of fanart" will soon be all art produced in the future
This is pure hyperbole. Thomas Kinkade didn't put landscape painters out of business, and art didn't homogenize because of him - and it won't because of Sakimichan. She's big, but she doesn't have any traction in art circles and her art will die with her.
| who is this Kinkade person and why is he relevant to all this
| It isn't just artists. That type of behavior in general seems to just branch out from the big looming issue of cancel culture.
https://youtu.be/GakHAquggh4
| >>622430
Thomas Kinkade was an absurdly popular kitsch painter, and even now prints of some of his paintings are sold for like $300. You know those calendars, mugs, ect. you see with brightly colored homes in idyllic forest settings? That's what Kinkade popularized. Dude made millions of dollars, and had WAY more market penetration than Sakimichan ever will.
| >>622413
>Thomas Kinkade didn't put landscape painters out of business
He didn't. The individuals are not even aware of what they're doing, but if you look at today's big picture it's obvious that social media darwinism is killing anything that isn't at least trying to be virally popular, like an invasive species kills an ecosystem. You can't blame the animals, it's just happening and it's a bad thing. Diversity in art was so goddamn important. 7 billion souls and no individuals.
| >>622444
Uh...no. Until recently, popular art followed trends HEAVILY, and commercial art still does(see also:"calarts style"). But audiences are more atomized than ever thanks to the internet, and art more diverse than ever, even in certain commercial spheres. Art has become less homogeneous in the past 20 or so years, and you can find artists working on almost any subect in a variety of styles and mediums.
| >>622463
If you look at art history for the vast majority of recorded history if you didn't adhere to the popular trends, you were SOL. This became so pronounced over the past century that modern art almost completely forced traditional drawing and painting out of art schools, and if it wasn't for illustration being in demand those skills would have been completely lost.
| >>622463
>>622464
The idea that Michelangelo sculpted La Pieta like Sakimichan paints her shitty fanservice is insulting. Those artists believed in beauty and art. In the case of Renaissance men like Leonardo, they were driven by curiosity and wonder. Fuck this idea that commerce was everything in everyone's life since the beginning, I refuse this revisionism.
And I never mentioned nostalgia. The saccharine academicism of the XX century was similar to today's commercial art.
| >>622469
But the people who diverged from standards still gave a shit about making actual art, new things. Even in modernism, which I dislike, there was the promise of true expression somewhere down the line. Even commercial art had ways to be interesting. But now with the internet it all went in the worst of places: constant pop trend referencing that is old 5 minutes later, and shit to put on tees.
| >>622469
I never said anything about passion or nostalgia, so nice non-requiters. Ol' Mikey may have been passionate but that doesn't mean he wasn't a part of a larger trend, which he totally was. There was a definitive style of art at the time and if you were outside it you didn't get paid, which was my point. I'm also not going to argue about Sakimichan's passion or lack thereof, because I don't know her personally and it would be presumptuous to claim I know how she feels.
| >>622482
That said modernism WAS a trend of referencing shit that was 5 minutes old, it just moved on a slower scale. Look at the list of movements under Modern Art on wikipedia, and realize that's probably not even half of them, just the most popular ones. This isn't a new thing, it's just increased in speed. But as illustration showed, good work will find a place regardless of popular trends and will endure.
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| > artist does bad thing
> first to call them out is artist
One would assume having a particularly niche career would make them understand the struggle of such career at breaking even and keeping a steady income. One would be wrong.