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Does anyone else wish they lived during the times before agriculture
| Before agriculture ?
You mean modern agriculture ?
| >>621038 before any agriculture. Agriculture by its definition chains people into living simple and mundane lives without any survival challenges. Individualism is also destroyed.
| woah
An actual AnPrim
never thought I'd see one in the wild
| >>621044 lol... i dont mean that we should live like uncivilised cavemen tho, incase thats what youre getting. Infact, theres evidence that human brains were bigger before agriculture. This is because the world actually provided challenges for day to day survival. Today we are always just reusing everyone elses ideas and tools.
| I do, but then I remind mysel that if im going for ignorance is bliss scenario I might as well wish I was never born, which is what I'm doind
| I do, but then I remind mysel that if im going for ignorance is bliss scenario I might as well wish I was never born, which is what I'm doind
| there's a lot of advantages to primitivism, but a lot of disadvantages as well. while we have a lot of things nowadays that make our quality of life a lot better we definitely aren't biologically “designed” for this life. in the end it is probably the grass being greener on the other side though.
>make the world seem like an exciting place of great mystery to be explored
the world can be like this now. maybe it happens less often, but if you work for it you can get that feeling.
| >>621084 >we have a lot of things nowadays that make our quality of life a lot better
Then again, with everything provided for us without us having to go through effort, we dont really stay healthy. The constant excercise, as well as exposure to various hazardous substances (which makes immunity to them develop), kept primitive humans in probably much better shape than modern ones. Healthy body also = healthy mind. The issue was there being no real safety, but thats the fun of it.
| >>621084
>the world can be like this now. maybe it happens less often, but if you work for it you can get that feeling.
I agree. I believe science is that thing. But i cant help but be nihilistic about there being anything truly meaningful about our existence. Everything is just about some particles and math. I wish i could live in blissfull ignorance and believe my existence would be for something divine.
| I loved Far Cry Primal when it got released. Living in the wild really feels awesome, you feel like you finally returned to be a part of the nature. I know this because I did quite a lot of hiking and backpacking. But thought about hurting tooth or appendicitis scares me shitless. So I guess the only hope is to create some kind of communes
| Also, I actually think it's easier to live in the wild. It has very simple tasks. You need shelter, water, food, clothing, tools, some kind of savings of food and materials for the future or winter. If you know where to find it (hopefully), it takes only your time and efforts. So watch out for the bears and live your simple life. But when you return to the city... You don't know, what will happen next and are you doing the right thing, you feel like you are wondering in rlthe dark
| >>621107 in the life in the wild of which ive been talking about you would have nothing prefabricated to take advantage of.
| Well, that's a shit ideology if I've ever seen one. Challenging situations still exist, far more challenging than the ones of the primal period, ones of the mind and spirit. And if you want, you can always go hiking or whatever, physical activity and fitness is always encouraged in society. The fact that you'd live in ignorance is also a completely wild concept to me, you seriously would close your ears and eyes to the truth if it meant you were "happier"? That's escapism.
| Besides, without agriculture, it would be a highly unsustainable lifestyle. Any hopes of a big community, and as such, formation of complex art, societal norms, morality, state and law would crumble. Without agriculture, we're caveman, simple as that.
| ah i guess you are talking about nomadic life style? Or something close to it ?
| I am reading sapiens currently and I think it's pretty interesting. I would see why that kind of life style would be appealing.
| >>621047 this was mentioned in the book, it's kind of an xd moment.
apparently the humans species that we evolved from were not the human species with the biggest brains but actually the mountain nethaderals (?) but we just learned to talk before them wondering what the world would be like if they were our ancestors instead
| Being a hunter-gatherer does sounds pretty appealing. Simple, no deep shit, just hunt/forage by day, sleep at night, chat with your fellow humans by the fire, look to the sky and make up gods when you find new stars, invents art by throwing paint at the cave wall because you're so bored.
But of course that'll only work if I don't have the crippling health problem I have now. If I'm still stuck with the same body I'll be dead before turning 10.
| >>621042
Agriculture does free people from the threat of dying just because you fail to hunt, but it brought a lot of complication like there being more people in one place, a need for a system to take care of your crops, and way more germs.
It's hardly "simple and mundane lives without any survival challenges", but I got your point.
| Ahem, you don't have NEARLY enough time to sleep AND build tools AND hunt.
If you had enough time, you would run out of energy.
Your strategy would be way different than what you're describing.
I wonder how not having agriculture but not being a caveman is possible :/ where do you get your food ? Hunting actually consumes energy. If you fail once u ded.
When do you build shelter ? By the looks of it you'd spend all your time hunting. Where would you get salt from ?
| >>17944d
Hunting/foraging/survival requires a lot of specific knowledge and risk taking, and everyone needs to know how to do it rather than a few specialists. It was undoubtedly a difficult task, and not necessarily one that was more fulfilling than the stuff we do today. Living long enough and prospering enough to have time to throw paint on the cave wall would not have been the average human's experience, unfortunately.
| Fuck proto-urban settlements. That shit is gay.
| >>621266 yeah, fucking imagine living in a cave, dying from bears and STDs every day as opposed to actually having a life. Goddamn barbarians.
| Does anyone else wish they were fucking
| (Op here)
>>621158
i would close my ears to the truths which have been found out by other people in my stead and would try to make sense of the world with nothing to go with.
>>621159
the eventual dispersal of every settelment is kinda part of the point. Its peak individualism.
>>621167
...what? We didnt evolve from neanderthals, we interbred with them, leaving about 2% neanderthal dna in the genetic code of europeans and asians. Also, neanderthals had bigger brains than us.
| >>621167
And we didnt learn to talk before neanderthals??? They most likely just had simpler language. Talking isnt something that just appeared spontaneously out of nowhere, its something that advances over time
| >>621340 peak retardation if you ask me. Like you'd be able to sit on your arse, thinking about anything besides food. You'd be an unwashed imbecile who's entire life is spent chasing prey and praying to your shitty pagan gods of the fire, feces and moon that you'll get to catch a rabbit next day and not die from starvation or banging your head hard enough on a rock you use for worship. It's the absolute lowest point of the human civilization, a lesson in learning efficiency
| >>621358 then! Why were brains bigger back then!!!! Youd need to strategise a shitton to survive. This lifestyle is what made humans evolve to the smartest species on the planet
| >>621385 guess what, bigger brain doesn't equate more think think. A fucking elephant has a bigger brain than me, he's not some profound goddamn thinker though, he's an animal. And back then people were fucking animals, because they neither couldn't, nor didn't need to, be anything else. "ThIs LiFeStYlE", yeah, and we're way past that stage. No need to regress to the past, it just shows that you're stuck in that particular period.
You fucking Neanderthal.
| Ooga booga, brain be like cock.
Big good.
| >>621418 just read sapiens by yuval noah harari. It explains all of what i mean much better than my dumbass. I know very well brain size doesnt always correlate with intelligence, but theres way more to it. Humans evolved into what they are today by using their brains for survival in nature, and that really should be all that i need to tell you for ypu to see. And please stop acting all insultingly like were on 4chan or something. its not very nice :/
| >>621431 but isn't that the point? We've evolved PAST that stage, we don't need to stay in the past, it'll just tie us down to a degenerative existence going through the same motions our ancestors did. It's all just pointless games, some sick roleplay of caveman. Natural selection doesn't work the same now because people are judged by their adaptability and mind in the modern age. A current day human would die during those times while the proto human would be an imbecile nowadays.
| >>621431 you'd think it's all simple logic. We're on a different scale, one that's just another hurdle to overcome and requires a different set of tools to that of early ages. Just like how you won't be able to make steel with a campfire and ore, you won't be able to progress past a certain point with such a limiting existence.
The value of human existence is in the struggle to reach new heights, so why tie yourself with a meaningless restriction that'll stunt your development?
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| Nature is the natural place in which to operate. In small communities, exercising and roaming the lands everyday and being oblivious to the meaninglessness of our existence. Make-believe stories would make the world seem like an exciting place of great mystery to be explored.