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Should I join the military?
| My father's in the army here in Italy. That environment makes you become an incredibly strict, close minded and self entitled fuck. I see that in my father and his friends/colleagues. So, pro tip for growing up as a decent human being: don't do join it.
| *don't join ig
| I never understood why people wanted to join the army.
A national police force, I understand, but why encourage one of the things that prevents humanity from improving?
| Armies love to promise everything to the younger generations (college, work, statues in society). But as someone who was born into a region that went trough war (the Balkans) all I can say is they treat us like they always did, the reserve for the meat grinder. Yet here in the 90s they didn't need to promise anything, they just force us.
If you live in a nation without mantetory servise, cherish that, cause that's a liberty a lot of nations don't offer.
| >>423235
Countries without it are starting to put it back.
There's nothing better for a government than obedient allies that don't try to think too much, so it's only logical that they would encourage recruitment.
The problem is that people should refuse such a thing, but instead they are happy about it.
| They will own you, pretty much.
My Dad often suggests that I join it, buuuut I dont like the idea of it.
| Why would you?
| >>423208
If USA, you have 2 years to decide. Look on their websites to see what careers they have. It will be tougher as a girl, no matter the service.
| Do what you want.
| join it 100%. you will grow up as an individual. you will learn a lot on comradery, the ability to break your limits, duty, service, integrity, and honor. you will become a responsible individual and will be proud of all the shit you went through as you are still standing afterwards.
the ones that spit on service are cowards and soyboys. you will be taught to be SHARP.
your body will improve a lot. not as much as your mental.
you will become able to face all dangers.
that, plus...
| >>423395
i kinda like military girls... hope you get some muscle!
but seriously, what they will teach you (and what you won't see at first) is that you can get through hardships and break your limits.
and you know what? if you don't like being out in the field, you can take a fukken desk job.
the army has admin services which don't train as hard.
just don't join the marines (unless you're a real hardass)
the army is for all people: some will be retards, many will be outstanding.
| i think it's kinda obvious when you listen to guys in bumfuckistan about how awful their military is. if you go to france, germany, danmark, you'll see that they're a legion of dedicated people. and as stated, some people are just incurable cunts, which is why even the army won't be able to fix them.
it also depends on your mental which is also something that will be taught to you, but better be prepared.
lots of recruits like you will be in the same boat!
tell me what you think
| >>423398
The problem isn't whether the people are nice or not. The problem is that the army is controlled by a bunch of stupid people: the higher the rank, the worse it gets. And the other problem is that your good little soldiers will obey no matter what, because they were trained to do so.
At best it creates apathy, at worst it encourage extremism.
The army is something a civilised country shouldn't have. But for a country to be civilised, it would require people to be first.
| >>423421
>The army is something a civilised country shouldn't have
thanks for this sewage of a sentence.
| >>423427
Now instead of being so immature, try to tell my why a civilised country would need to have an external armed force?
To "defend" itself, as the US so funnily says? Then it doesn't need to be external.
But you are a perfect example of what I said. The problem is that people like you need to become civilised, before the system itself can change.
| >>423440
if you don't have the means to defend yourself, you're gonna get invaded so damn hard.
if DPRK didn't have army and nukes, where would it be now?
if we didn't have anything to stand against it, do you think it would stay quietly in its corner?
i'm civilized enough. at least i recognize that the world isn't a sugary teddy bear utopia like you believe it to be.
if you don't project your force onto the world you're a nobody and you'll get shanked by those who do. arrogant ass
| >>423441 I agree that in our world the threat of violence and war is a diplomatic tool used to keep the peace. However, that doesn't change the fact that the army serves the politicians and no one else.
In your example of the DPRK. Who do you think the army serves there? The north Koreans or Kim Jong Un? His rule is reinforced in part by the army and the threat of the army turning against it's own citizen (other factors being propaganda and in general a fear of America).
| >>423208
Your best bet is to speak with a recruiter and anyone who was recently in the military of your specific country.
In the US, the military really does have some of the best benefits of any employer (college tuition, decent healthcare, yadda yadda) but this is counter balanced by the "culture" of the branch you choose.
Having had friends in every branch so far, my general opinion is that the larger the branch, the less "elitism" there is, especially toward women.
| E.G: The army and navy are generally considered the most gender tolerant and because of their structure, more accepting of who you are regardless of things like race, sex, etc. But I've also heard horror stories from people assigned to, say, home defense, as opposed to intelligence or GI. In many ways, you'll find that the military is like a highschool.
Its a running joke to take a dump on the airforce because they're increasingly hiring people to fly drones instead of planes.
| But because of this, the airforce is also increasingly becoming the most "posh" of the branches, or at least so claim jarheads. My buddy is a mechanic in the AF and aside from the benefits, his experience has been mostly positive- its his superiors that he has a problem with, in particular one guy who he feels takes his stress out on him because he's been stuck at a certain rank of officership for too long.
| The Coast Guard suffers from having an "old boys club" mentality. Its basically the sea police version of the Navy but has issues stemming from the fact it's so smol, and very miyopic. That's what a CG friend was willing to part with regarding her tenure there.
| You might want to consider the National Guard or perhaps the reserves. At any rate, the military will accept you until your early thirties iirc, so there's no rush to join as soon as you're 18. Keep in mind that you'll also need to take an ASVAB test, which determines which part of a military branch that you'll be able to join.
| >>423441
Don't try to interpret what I say, since you can't even read it properly, thanks.
I kept on talking about "external" military, meaning soldiers going outside their country. So now, try again to tell me how they are defending a country without being inside of it? Preemptive assaults are just a way to justify attack, nothing more.
If you want to defend your country, you use an internal armed force, nothing more. As soon as you leave, it's not defense anymore.
| >>423448 the fact remains that in today's system, if you don't have an army, you get shanked.
>>423461
if you don't intervene abroad, that's your thing. but the enemy definitely will, and they want you down. they will use whatever they can to gain more advantage on you. it's like a game of chess where it doesn't matter whether you play or not because your opponent will anyways.
that was the point i was making, by the way, but apparently, you can't even read properly.
arrogant fuck
| >>423592
Who cares about what the others do, if you use your military to *really* defend your country instead of attacking?
And who are your opponents, by the way?
Would you by chance be American? That wouldn't be surprising.
| >>423595
i'm not talking about attacking! once again, you're the one saying i can't read properly when you don't understand half of the argument! when the chinese are economically invading afrika and establishing an influence foothold there, what they're making is a move. if nobody fucking does something, they'll keep on going until they take all of afrika, and then they'll keep going, but they'll have all the resources and terrain and people to make their armies.
| if you don't understand basic fucking geopolitical strategy, don't come to me saying i'm a hypocrite. this world is a chess piece where everyone is trying to gain power, the difference between now and the middle ages is that now we have the nuclear bombs and everyone is slightly smarter. let me promise you this: if the chinese or the russians or the americans can take something shiny and want to, they WILL do it. and if you sit there idly the powers that be will grow you over.
| then you come to me, you know zero about strategy and active measures, and tell me that i'm interpreting things, and then you project an image of me that is of an american. i'm not american, i'm just not a fucking sunny teddy bear utopist who thinks there's nobody out there to shank him. you're leaving tactical advantages open? to iran, saudi, to egypt? they take it! they take it all! and you're left on the sidelines having played no card but sitting there like a fool.
strategy.
| Gurls, I understand that this is a heated conversation, but can you all please just relax? Politics, as cancerous as it may be, belongs in /news/. OP is just asking if she should enlist herself.
| >>423607
yeah, uh, i'll stop. just consider whatever answer my "conversational partner" will come up with to be completely correct and that i am utterly and irrevocably wrong.
i'm done here.
by the way, i didn't start this ulcerous debate, but whatever.
i'll be over there
| Didnt really read the rest of the posts but, still wanna just say my piece.
As an Israely soldier i got enlisted to the army, went for what seems like an importent assignment, as a "lohem", badicly after 8 months of training turns out its mostly borfer patrols, with constent drills and no sleep..
Isnt for me, didnt feel meaningful.
| After ALOT of pleading to my supiriors (army is a dictetorahip after all, higher ups have all the power), i managed to get a job where i can at least see how once a week, the job itself is mostly inconsequencion and boring.
| I had no choice, but to join the service as it is the norm in Israel, however you should consider whether or bot you are the kind of person who can stand hardships and mundane tasks yet still enjoy yourself and your company.
I know im aint it, but if you are i say go for it, but remeber this type of work is only for curtain people and there is no way out once you are in.
| Its a huge commitment and a powerful expirience, so think hard about it OP, dont trust the words of rand-O's online LOL.
And please, do update us whrn you choose.
Good luck in what ever you choose <3
| >>423653
same thing here OP, what you have here is an israeli speaking. unless your country is israel this doesn't apply to you (not directly)
| Coming from a refugee family, I have a Betty big bias against war, violence and the military. The job itself looks interesting (ie the training, the structure...), but I would have very big moral issues with the military. If you have nothing against the military and what they do morally, then it may be a great job for you
| Just be careful.
If you rush into University or something, you can just leave if you dont like it (albeit with debt) but I dont think you can do that with the military.
Be sure to do lots of research, not just talking to us randos as the person above me says.
| Er, three persons above me said, sorry.
Also, sorry for double posting!
| Might as fucking well tbh. Worse case scenario you hate roughly four years of your life and move on (or die, but some jobs/rates/whatever arent going to send you into anything too dangerous. And you could die doing anything in life).
Id probably be concerned about getting raped, but theres free medical and at least at my command theres a lot of support for dealing with that
Though if I were a woman Id rather be a camwhore/someshit (maybe it'd be different if I actually were tho)
| ^ Good person up there ^
| |
| "... getting raped, but... there's a lot of support for dealing with that"
Because it's ok getting raped as long as you have support after that. Ok then.
| Quite the assumption kiddo. There's just a lot of anti-sexualassault propaganda shit, and I don't know how much of a problem it is. You could get bothered anywhere you go regardless, but there's a bunch of hotlines and shit, and briefs about it.
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| I'm just 16, female. this may seem naive
what should i expect from there?