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lemme crack a truth egg on ur skull real quick
| stop living
| Go commit sudoku you inhuman trash
| moral is a social construct
| we live in a society
| It is SUPER pathetic and gross
| Okay then OP. Let me go fuck my dad real quick! Sure that'd have no consequences whatsoever!
| >>421781 inherent isn't the same as at all... I'd look as skeptically at a family relationship as i would at a superior/subordinate relationship or one with an enormous age difference because of the potential for fucked up power dynamics.
| Hmm op isn't wrong incest isn't inherently bad, but incest is bad for genetic diversity which gives us a evolutionary reason to avoid it which is probably why we're disgusted by the idea
| >>c5865c excuse me?? "We" are disgusted by the idea? I think the people of danger/U/ are forward thinking in that regard
| pretty much what #421967 said, incest isn't necessarily bad unless it's with parents, but it can be pretty fucked up in some situations.
tbh i find incest sis-bro pretty hot if they're under 18 years old, especially when they not very independent, but if they go like to college and shit, then i find disgusting. kinda like some relatioship between family because they not """"""with age"""""" to have bfs or gfs
| >>422190 possible but we could just refer to the people who have already shared their opinion that it's distasteful
| i fucked my cousin and we both liked it and we fucked more after that and it was cool
| Strictly speaking, nothing is inherently bad because nihilism.
Society decides what is bad by making laws though
| Yeah buddy you are so goddamn right it's not like the result of similar genes won't probably result in something fucked up or that almost pretty much any society at history were against that, but go on brave gurl!
| >>422928 ok, let's push the semantics argument a little farther for all you genetic purists... incest is sexual activity, but in no way implies you have to make incest babies. Incest handjobs do not make incest babies. Safe hetero-sexually-mature-wearing-protection-vaginal-intercourse incest sex also doesn't make incest babies, so basically you agree it's ok as long as no incest babies are produced...
| >>422941 It is not okay evolutionary speaking, so that "natural" argument of yours kinda fall appart to some extend. Now, why pretty much all societies were against it through history? Why there would be any attraction?
| >>422957 societies through history could pretty much be against it because they're historic.
Any contraceptive method was harder to use than condoms nowadays
| >>422957 I agree that, evolutionarily, it is not good, and that is likely the reason we are averse to it, but if there are no incest babies, then there is no evolution, so the argument is moot. There is, as OP said, no reason incest is inherently bad, or at least, not one that anyone has come up with yet, besides the incest baby argument.
| >>423085 possibly... that is a legitimate argument, but why inherently is it psychologically unhealthy, or conversely, is there a way that it would be psychologically healthy as opposed to other ways that it would not...
| >>423169 Your parents are role models, and not only that you are mixing notions of fraternal and romantic love in here, that would never work out.
| >>423207 your parents are role models for intimate relationships as well, and I think you would be hard pressed to find a case where a person's childhood dev didn't affect their sexual rels. Clearly sexual rels aren't exclusive of other rels, and in reality can be one of the most intimate kinds. With appropriate boundaries and healthy rel. in other areas, *some form* of sexual rel. could be integral to healthy development.
That being said, there are many other incest types...
| >>423219 Freud was considered obsolete a long time ago buddy, so those Edipo notions are obselete was well I'm sure, and acording from what I heard from Dr Jordan Peterson not for intimate relationships, but a model of what a man should act and a woman should act, he talked about that as being a problem for hommosexual couples to pass to their children, and what other types? Sister? Really? Feeling atraction for someone that looks like you? Or your mom?
| >>423267 Freud is obsolete, but much of his work is central to the development of later theories. I made no reference to him, or Oedipus complex, but I don't think it is wrong by any means, just over simplified and not the full picture (yes, obsolete). As you said, one's parents are gender role models, and children develop their gender roles and sexuality in relation to their parents. Not sure what the problem is.
And yes, parents, siblings, cousins, whatever...
| Hello, FBI, I'd like to file a report.
| >>423298 yes, FBI, there is someone trying to get you to oppress people debating an idea that goes against social norms. Make sure you talk to them about what free speech is about and how it's not illegal to discuss ideas in this way...
>>423293 I had not heard of Peterson before today, but on first glance, he appears to be legitimate. Many of his ideas parallel those of extreme right-wing, but for entirely different reasons. I believe he could defend most of his ideas logically.
| >>423500 The introduction itself say that they are biased and they don't like him. And if he were that incompetent he wouldn't be where he is. I'm not saying that they don't have a point, they can have, but I would have to check it out those texts, that requires more time and energy than I'm willing to spend now. And if that is the case does not change the fact that parents are role models for life, not just for sex, like the gurl said. We are getting out of track I think.
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| incest isn't actually inherently bad.
you g/u/rls are just cowards