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Are traps and trans people sane?
| Short answer, no.
| >Traps
At about the same rate as normal people afaik.
>Trans
By definition, no.
| Just like all other people, no
| Sane: able to function in society. So, by 2010s standards, they are.
| of course
| >>415165
do you think that if jeffrey dahmer got a job and was never discovered he could have functioned in society for some long time?
| >>415208
Having a job is more or less equal to functioning in society, so I guess yes if he didn't get caught.
What I mean is "sane" gets redefined every other day to fit what is needed of citizens.
"All psychiatric treatment of constructed syndromes isn't about cure but about regression to the mean, where mean= cubicle drone." Go and check The Last Psychiatrist if you will.
| >>415236
i do not will because i am lazy and apathetic. your intellectual sensibilities are lost on me and my nonacademic mind.
| >>415239
TLP's point is that psychiatry is mainly a tool to keep people in line. The DSM, the guide that lists all psychological diseases and deviant behaviors (and thus defines what is sane or not), is regularly rewritten in this optic.
"When you make behaviors a disease, individuals lose and systems win, this is always true, they benefit in still being able to call something "shameful" without needing to take any responsibility for its creation."
| >>415239
If you change your mind, there's a two part post on the movie "Shame" and the treatment of sex addiction:
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/03/shame.html
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/03/shame_is_the_desired_outcome.html
| What tv shows you guys watching?
| Traps simply cross-dress as women but are comfortable in their gender. The individual trap can be something else. Usually fun madlads. Trans people have gender dysphoria which can really fuck them up (stupidly high suicide rate), though I wouldn't classify all trans as insane on the sole basis of trans.
| But I will say hormones affect your mind and mood for certain.
| No.
| Trans are not people, so it's okay
| >>415691 oh yeah, trans people aren't insane, they just want to cut off there dicks.
Suicide is the only concerning thing.
| Don't know if it counts, but I tried to fuck a doll once, but since it didn't have a hole to fuck, I tried to fuck the space between it's legs (it was more or less life sized). It didn't work out though, so I just went and jerked off instead.
| >>415950
>what are trans men?
>what is 14 percent of trans women and 72 percent of trans men saying they don't want surgery?
| >>415983
>Have a dick and all characteristics of a man
>Thinks he's a girl.
Does that look like a sane person to you?
| ITT: Butthurt conservitards absolutely losing their shit over the mere idea that someone exists outside the prison they've willingly locked themselves in despite being told they can leave at any time
Trans people existed thousands of years ago, and historians know this. Trans people exist today, and we all know this. Trans people will exist into the future until modern perceptions of 'gender' are irrelevant, and there's nothing you can do but get used to it.
| >>416009 exactly. The studies say that a trans person is someone who's brains thinks that it's gender is wrong. Which means there's something wrong with that person's brain ergo that person is mentally ill.
And I don't give a shit about the shit you learned from your gender classes, if you're born with a dick then you're a man.
Trans people need medical attention but retard sjws like you are preventing us from curing this disease.
| >>415163 yeah this one's right.
>>415994 yeah you're right also
>>416024 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (I'll stop being autistic next post) GIVE THIS GUY AN OSCAR
| Well trans people have a very high suicide rate. Like insanely high. And nope you cant just blame it on society, we all have to live with who we really are.
| >>416024
Transition alleviates symptoms and thus works as a cure because the dysfunctional part of your brain stops being dysfunctional.
When people refer to gender, they don't refer to biologic sex. Anyone who bothers to study this will know that we don't refer to biology, but the social role and how you perform it.
Read a fuckin book nigga
| I didn't say trans people were /completely/ sane >>415950 Not going to put Cait Jenner on the same level as some other fag that needs to be institutionalized for general personal and public safety.
| >>416148
>"can't blame it on society"
>humans are a social species who seek to attain positive relationships and consensus with others of the species
>an intensely transphobic society who constantly attacks and treats trans people as subhuman CLEARLY cant have anything to do with it
It has nothing to do with 'dealing with who they are inside', someone can have attained perfect self-actualization but still be driven to suicide by external aggression
| >>416161 sex and gender is the same fucking tging.
Fucking hell.
You sjw retards are changing the language and you're successful with because anybody who opposes to you is "evil".
Where the fuck is this world going? I still have 25 years to live (hopefully) and I don't want to see the whole world go insane.
What exactly can't you get of this?
Dick = Man
Twat = Woman
| >>416210
No man, like they use the term gender to refer to social expression and the term sex to biology. They're different things in a terminologic way, like how the word is used and I'm not trying to make the word sex into some ambivalent thing. Get better reading comprehension and try and understand the principle of charity.
| Okay how do I put this? When people say gender, they refer to a very particular thing. To say that they're the same thing is accurate because you use them to refer to the same thing, whereas other people refer to different things. You're throwin a fit over nothing and then complaining about how the world is ending over what term is used to refer to what. calm down fam
| >>416255 10 years ago there was no difference between gender and sex (or people didn't froce other people to believe in this bullshit). You're just another brainwashed tard.
| This term's been in usage since the 70s afaik m8, I'm not asking you to believe anything, I'm trying to explain what people actually mean because you're being uncharitable in assuming people use the terms as though you do.
>You're just another brainwashed tard.
epic xd
| >>416271
Of course there was a difference. Any ethnologist can see it. People with dicks have different way of behaving according to the society they live in. Expression of gender varies, and always have.
| I'm really only against dangerous operations such as gender reassignment surgery. You can't change what you were born as.
| >>416277 but it's still bullshit people expect to be called their little snowflake "gender identification". The only reason they're doing it is because it's the only way they think they'll be remembered in the future when they can't have their own children. And God fucking forbid they adopt then push their bullshit on the child.
| >>416325
Yes, it (the SJW hysteria) is mostly bullshit. But what does it have to do with the fact that different expression of genders exist?
Seriously, how many debate are we gonna have about this: there is stuff and there are idiots - that will never change. Yet, it doesn't make the stuff an idiotic thing. Wishing it all away won't make idiots disappear either.
Instead, why not concentrate on things you have control over?
| >>416325
There, have a read: cyberpunk as a way to reach beyond identity clinging. https://web.archive.org/web/20120214194015/http://www.stanford.edu/dept/HPS/Haraway/CyborgManifesto.html
If you look past the twitter debates, there is interesting stuff. Even if you don't find it interesting, just have some respect of your own time. Otherwise you're just wrestling pigs in the mud (absent pigs at that, as they are not in this thread). Let the pigs wrestle and find a another pit.
| >>416300
>You can't change what you were born as.
That's a weird stance to have on a cyberpunk board.
| >>416412 the only fact is that there are only 2 genders.
This isn't a cyberpunk board, it's just a textboard most people come across by accident.
I talk about this bullshit because it's the only interesting shit to talk about on this board.
| >>416419
Actually its frequently brought up in cyberpunk. Characters cannot change who they are until reach insane amounts of bodily modification and when that happens they lose they're humanity. So technically going through reassigment surgery would count in becoming less human.
| >>416431
>not a cyberpunk board
>va-11 hall-a: cyberpunk bartending action
>captcha: *rubs brow* "Gauls!"
| >>416210 God damn coservative retard. The lad literally states he also thinks a biological male is of the male sex. 'Gender' has a different definition. Like how ships are called 'She' (not talking about shipgirls).
| >>416614 how fucking retarded can one be?
Gender and sex is the same thing.
What the fuck does a ship has to do with this thread? We are talking about people's retarded brain.
| >>416618 and if your brain thinks that it's gender is different from what the body looks like, there's something wrong with it that needs to be fixed.
| >>416627 found right wing snowflake who can't accept that sexual identity and gender is social construct.
| >>416618 Sex and gender are english words. Usually languages have 1 word to say gender. I'm inclined to agree with the latter speakers. Hogwash.
| >>416633 don't know what your right wings believe, I'm not from the fatland.
The only thing that I don't want to accept is the fact that in future there gonna be a shit ton of kids confused about the a simple thing such as gender.
| >>416642
I'm sorry reality is so difficult to accept. You know it doesn't care about your feelings?
There, in case you ever want to learn something today: https://www.gq.com/story/burrnesha-albanian-women-living-as-men?printable=true
Biological women that behave according to (local) male gender norms. They didn't went under the scalpel, simply living as males changed their bodies.
No one denies they're women, they just act and are treated as men.
| >>416644 my feeling? I don't give a shit. It's you people who get all bitchy whenever this subject comes up and someone brings facts to the table.
| I can't believe what I'm reading here... Come on g/u/rls, danger/u/s is inspired from a cyberpunk game. Deconstructing gender roles and senseless society standards is the future, may you accept it or not. Opposing oppression and accepting that there is no such thing as "conformity" is part of evolving as a society. The future is non-binary.
| I'm trans. I'm a woman. I have a dick. Try not to get too triggered lmao. Transitioning is the way to treat dysphoria. I hate my dick, it's wrong. I shouldn't have one. Is that mental illness talking? Yup. Do I give a shit? Nope. It's how I feel, I can't get rid of the dysphoria. I can ease it, however, by, you guessed it, transitioning. By making my body as feminine as possible. That's the treatment for dysphoria. dumbass bigot. Don't talk about things youre ignorant of.
| >>417247
Not to mention a lpt of the dysphoria is related to the inability to feel feminine according to what society arbitrarily defines as a feminine standard; If society for instance did not base itself on the "PENIS=MASCULINITY" idea then trans women would have less reason to feel dysphoric about genitalia
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