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Meat is murder, change my mind
| Meat is tasty so it's ok
| Meat is animal flesh.
| Veganism is also murder.
| Animals kill other animals to eat that's just how it works
Nature doesn't care about morals
| Cows aren't living things idiot.
| There are some substances very necessary that one can only get through certain foods derived from animals, like meat or eggs. For example, vitamin B12, which is necessary for the correct function of neurotransmitters.This suggests we have to consume some meat as a genuine necessity due to our evolutionary origins, and depriving a person from it would be like depriving a shark from meat.
You may still argue that people produce and consume way more meat than they need, tho.
| >>406269 no shit sherlock, i'm no vegan but nature isn't half as cruel as the meat/animal industry (which is why veganism got huge in the 1st place against i think)
| Not really disagreeing, and I'm not even vegetarian, although I rarely eat meat, maybe 2-3 times a month. The cruelty argument is very valid, I don't understand why people are dismissing it. Although I think the biggest argument is how utterly inefficient meat as a food is to produce. It's expensive both for our pockets and the environment. The latter will become expensive aswell, just a bit later.
| Why change your mind? I could play the devil's advocate... But why?
| Murder is illegal, meat is legal, therefore meat is not murder.
| Murder is not torture, though.
| Meat isn't murder. That's like pointing at a dead body and saying "This man is murder." Ez, NEXT
| Every day you snuff out the lives of other organisms, plants, animals, whatever.
Trampling on grass harms it. Buying anything causes the resources they're made from to be harvested slightly more.
I do think that we should try to be more responsible consumers but to expect everyone to change their diet 100% because animals die because of it is naive.
Life is death
| You can have whatever dietary choices you like vegetarian friend
| If you think meat is murder, then don't eat meat.
If you don't think meat is murder, then eat meat.
Just like religion and sex life, as long as you keep it to yourself, you do what you want, gurls. But if you are trying to change others and act superior, then fuck right off.
| humans took over the planet. we fucking won, let me eat, fatten, and denature those cows if i want to.
| >>406412
Murder is between two humans. Therefore, unless you kill humans and then collect their meat, meat can't be murder.
If you were intending to mean "Meat is killing", then there is abysmal room for debate either. Why? Because the meat we consume results from killing. That statement is true, probably 100%.
If you want something with even less room for discussion, go for "meat is death". Now you're sure I can't be picky about death by other causes.
| 0:06
HARVESTER MY MEAT YouTube - Nov 17, 2013
| Plants are alive too
| >>407055 But eating plants isn't a multi billion-dollar industry that slaughters baby male plants and raises the rest in horrible conditions
| I hate animals meat is great
| Vegans will always have the moral upperhand, everyone knows that the meat industry is cruel and inhumane but people dont care, they like meat and choose to ignore it. Personally i would leave meat if vegan stuff in my country wasn’t so expensive
| >>406269
Animals run around naked and throw their shit at each other. We don't have to do X just because animals do X.
>>407094
Also plants don't have sentience or a central nervous system.
| >>407178
Plants are able to suffer. You know this, because they are able to consistently take defensive action against a given threat.
You tend to forget that you are pretty much made of several little cooperating ecosystems, that are comparable -at the metabolic level- to plants.
Why is a "central" nervous system relevant here?
Also, sentience does not make you any kind of superior being.
With all that said... main point?
| Meat is murder......i still eat meat but im tryna stop. But that murder just tastes so good and helps build muscle for gym gains. Its actually pretty expensive to be a happy healthy vegetarian or vegan and get the same gains meat gives.
| So I've been a vegetarian for a quarter of my life, before that I would eat meat on a daily basis.
The bottom line is that meat is a necessity for humans, yes it is very much possible to get the required nutrients while being a vegetarian, but it requires careful planning or the use of supplements, being a vegetarian can be straight up expensive.
I've been severely fatigued ever since becoming a vegetarian, mainly on me for being a bad vegetarian but still
| At the end of the day people need need, as much as I care for animals it doesn't change that fact.
My only wish is that meat industry wasn't as cruel as it is.
| Need meat*
|
Upon the flesh of beasts
are founded great feasts
Dinner is thrilling
but animals we're killing
You can eat meat ethically
while I was poetically
buy meat that was free range
the concept isn't strange
something has to die so we can live
But a humane life to our food we can give
-Rapgurl
| If meat is murder then I'm a serial killer and proud of it.
| >>407237
>With all that said... main point?
If by "meat is murder" OP meant that it's not ethical to eat meat because it implies animal suffering then "plants are alive too" is not a very good argument, since plants don't have brains or nerves. I don't see how a non-conscious reaction is proof of their suffering.
| >>407152 lol can't believe someone use "muh morality" as an argument. What us this? Piracy thread? Religious debate?
| >>407608
Why not, okay.
Still, why is a "central nervous system" relevant?
You realise plants can feel their environment, right? They even orient towards light if need be.
Say, does it mean if I'm comatose, I'm deemed incapable of suffering?
Simply because any conscious reaction I could have won't happen?
I'm really curious.
Concerning main point, the two of us were not contributing to the main point, that's what I was saying...
| Murder is something people do to each other (unless a bunch of black birds want to hang out).
Meat is Slaughter and looks like roast beef.
| >Meat is murder, change my mind
No
| >>407771
The comatose person at least has the possibility of regaining conciseness so I don't really like that analogy.
Plus we have to eat *something* to survive, so eating something that only has the ability to sense its environment versus something that has the mental capacity to do much more is more desirable.
| >>408283
Okay, you realize we probably have enough cereal to feed the whole world. You also must know what it's used for instead, right?
| >>408441
In pure calories that is probably true, but also we need more nutrients than just grains can provide.
To be clear I was arguing in favor of being vegan
| >>408631
I was meaning to say that grain is, unfortunately, massively used to feed our future meat. Grain literally backs up the "Meat machine". The problem is not that people consume meat. The problem is that producing meat is a good means of distributing the enormous quantity of cereal we produce. The problem is not DIRECTLY the consumer. Produce less meat = bad news for grain.
This is cruel and cold in every possible way. I know. Not only to animals, but also to man.
| I'm not against being Vegan. It's a life choice. But I'm for consuming meat that doesn't come from the vicious circle...
| >>408650
So then (presuming you are in America) the government should transition away from grain subsidies and toward a more diverse agricultural life.
Less feed for the livestock that are not very resource effective and then we don't have to have corn syrup in everything.
| >>408660
I don't live in America.
I do believe it would be best to use agricultural resources produced in ways making them safely consumable for humans, and stop trying to sell large volumes at low price to feed livestock.
I don't think I can achieve that by being Vegan, or cutting the money.
It's profitable for the economically strong, so change will meet a great resistance.
And getting the gov to act would be seen as an attempt to control the market... Won't end peacefully :/
| However, when producing meat results in ending human lives, I'm for saying Meat is actual murder. Indirectly however, and meat is not the source of the problem.
| >>407771
Isn't veganism/vegetarianism the main point tho? I think that's what OP advocated for with their "meat is murder" slogan.
| >>409198
Yes it is, but "Meat is murder" is formulated dramatically so that there's discussion, but it turns out the drama takes over discussion, detached from emotion. And sometimes we're making the same point, but we don't understand each other...
| You don't have to kill anything to get a sweet mouthful of thick, juicy meat, g/u/rl.
| only if you eat a cop
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