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Tipping someone for doing their job is just foolish.
| On principle,yes.
But apparently waiters and other service jobs are underpaid in the US so that you feel obligated to tip, so you have to, else they starve.
t. never worked on that stuff, speaking from hearsay.
Also ko-fi and Patreon are a thing, so idk. People might depend on tips.
| Some jobs are only payed in tips, so by not tipping them they are working for free.
| Well sometimes they can be really good at their job and it can make you even want to tip them
| I guess it works as a motivator to do well at a job. Although I think probably effects mental health when you don't have that guarantees baseline income.
It's also strange to think about since I have a customer service job and occasionally an American will hand me something silly like a 50. Its nice but I'm still like lol wut.
| It's major baloney that we've allowed the American restaurant owners to get away with delegating the payment and management of their employees to their customers. Why the fuck is it okay for you to not include your employees wage in the pricing of food? You're already including the cost of rent, materials, and the chef why not just include the waiter too you fucking clown
| >>399890
Expendability, my gurl. Expendability.
The kid you hired during their summer vacay may not be around in a few weeks, but you'll still have... literally everything else.
The greater the turnover for a position the less likely it will have anything approaching benefits.
Though that's also why it's important as an employee to find ways to make yourself invaluable. Special skills, putting in extra hours, or smooching up to your boss (literally and figuratively) all help.
| It is foolish. The establishment should be the one paying their workers. Tipping should be entirely optional, and in some countries tipping is even discouraged to make sure all workers perform equally well. Tipping mostly make sense in fields where the workers act more like independent contractors though rather than employee.
| The fact that you HAVE to tip is awful. I don't know why restaurants are allowed to pay less than minimum wage. Probably lobbyists.
| I wouldn't mind tipping if the employee went out of the way yo do something outside their job duties to give me a good experience. Nothing beats a good after meal blowjob from a cute waitress.
| >Change my mind
I mean you have every right to be a selfish piece of shit and never tip. You should have to own the fact you're being a piece of shit, though.
Pretty much all the important points about shitty pay for food service jobs have already been made in this thread.
| >>400129
Tipping is not obligatory in all coutries.
Some places discourage them.
I live in Baguetteland, and while we DO sometimes tip, that's not standard. At all.
| >>400129 so I'm a piece of shit cause I don't want to give my money(which i earned from my actually hard job) to someone who can't do shit in his life?
And if those shitty jobs don't pay a lot there's a reason. Or is it so fucking hard to take a plate of food from the kitchen to the table?
It's not our fault that you're a retard who can't do shit.
| >>400141 Same thing in Paellaland, we tip like 1-2 yurobucks tops when the service is spectacular,else we tip nothing, maybe it's just a Burgerland thing. Just remember: when in Rome,do as the Romans.
| >>400142 service industry is harder than you think man, in fact the difficulty and bullshit these jobs are is what causes their turnover rates and makes it seem like they're always available.
Ps: you're a tool for thinking your "hard job" is important
| >>400311
Yea it's hard in ways my job isn't. But I'm having it rough in ways they don't.
People almost never tip in my coutry, and I can't get tips anyways.
Also it depends alot what place you serve at. I wouldn't try to tip at the family owned italian close to me. However I would probably tip for delivery. And I sure as hell wouldn't tip in fastfood restaurants.
| Here in austria and many other countries; yes. However in America, you're basically the person paying the waiter's job.
| Here in austria and many other countries; yes. However in America, you're basically the person paying the waiter's job.
| >>400311 go on and tell me what's hard about your job... is it hard to take note of what people want? Is it hard to carry plates? Or is it hard to work stoned 24/7?
>Ps: you're a tool for thinking your "hard job" is important
And what is this supposed to mean?
I don't give a fuck if my job is important or not but it is most certainly harder than the shot they do.
| Its just wrong that its pretty much an obligation since certain jobs get underpaid. Tbh in this country people dont even tip pizza delivery guys etc its simply not a normal thing.
| To be honest, if a worker doesn't make at least minimum wage in tips, they're *supposed* to be paid the difference by their manager.
The problem is, this isn't very well enforced unless said worker complains and/or sues. And what kid is going to do that?
| Tipping jobs are paid less, but I totally agree with OP, tip is for a service well done, not for doing the basic and getting clear and clean money because you somehow deserve it for doing a regular old ass job like being a waiter
I know waiters have it hard sometimes, but Can we all agree that the cooks working for minimum wage and who cannot legally receive tip end up pulling in all the work and get paid way less?
That's how I see it
| Can we tip Lain, instead of waiters?
I'd tip Lain for sure.
| ITT: EU people not understanding US waiters get no money without tips.
| >>400422
"My job is harder than theirs, so they don't deserve a livable wage!"
What are you? A baby boomer?
| >>400142
>if those shitty jobs don't pay a lot there's a reason.
Until you have an actual reason outside of claiming yourself so high and mighty above retail and food industry employees, you can fuck off.
| >>401437
Because there is no reason, as other countries fully handle the lack of tipping. Lo and behold those people are able to actually make a livable wage to some extent.
| Meritocracy. Those who do a better job are generally tipped & paid more.
>>399951 >>401157
Once again, if they don't make minimum wage once tips are included the employer is responsible for the difference. It is every bit as illegal to underpay a waiter as it is a factory worker.
Also, tipping is customary in respectable establishments.
>>400727
Is this not why we invented unions? Sounds to me like a problem that's been fixed in many industries before.
| >>401437 i am supirior to those who can't get a decent job.
And it's not my fault if they make less money, they get paid less because their jobs are easy.
| >>401455 >they get paid less because their jobs are easy
No, that's not how it works at all. The job market is called the job market because it works like a market.
| >>401455
Let me stop you right there. The reason the job pays less is that the skillset is more common, not that it's necissarily easier but that it's easier to learn.
I know many people who couldn't care less about & skate in & out of menial jobs because they can't be bothered to try in their lives, but I also know blue collar folks who work as tirelessly & diligently as anyone I've ever seen.
| You should fucking be precise about what fucking country you're from, or what fucking country you're talking about, because not all fucking countries have no fucking minimum wage.
Context please.
Fucking.
Context.
Communication has to have context.
That's agreed on by both parties.
Fuck.
| >>401480
Are you fucking serious? You fucking retard. The majority of people on this textboard are from the fucking countries with minimum wage. I dont give a shit about the country you're from (which probably is a shithole btw)
Fucking retard, I don't give a fuck if the person asking for tip is from a country with minimum wage or not. I just don't want to give my money to fucking randoms, who have done nothing with their shitty, useless lives.
| >>400142
>so I'm a piece of shit cause I don't want to give my money(which i earned from my actually hard job) to someone who can't do shit in his life?
No, you're a piece of shit because you're insisting on being the grinch-iest, stingiest possible towards already overworked and underpaid people, and not because you need to, just because you can. People who are bringing you drink and food, to boot.
Also this >>401480
| >>401487
>I just don't want to give my money to fucking randoms, who have done nothing with their shitty, useless lives.
Yeah because no waiter ever is overqualified for that job, and because nobody ever had to be a waiter or bartender out of job scarcity.
And what the fuck do you want? A medal for tooting your own horn of how stingy and contemptuous you are?
You can be an asshole all day, fine. Don't expect people to swoon over about it.
| >>401493 overtime? So working 30 to 40 hours a week is working overtime? You fucking retard.
>People who are bringing you drink and food, to boot.
Yes. That's their job.
| >>401521
Also, I'm so not sorry,
but the tip is most likely included in your bill already. Because you're from one of those shitholes.
| >>401514
30 to 40 hours lol what galaxy do you live in?
>>401521
Everybody's already told you that you don't have to.
You seem to want to both toot your own horn of stinginess and assholishness and be praised as a paragon of a human being.
Well peep beach or mountain, your choice, but you can't have both.
| >>401540 Yes. That's what a tip is supposed to be. An undetermined amount of money that you (legally) may or may not give to someone who has provided you a service.
| >>401544 yeah? How much fucking do they work? 60 hours? No.
Tell me how much time you work at you shitty tip asking job?
And I don't tip and when I don't infiriors like you bitch about it.
| This thread is fucking cancer. OP, no one gives a shit if you don't want to tip, but no one has to accept that you don't tip, either.
| And before anyone bitches about censorship again, this entire thread is basically one anon jerking himself off because few people share his opinion.
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| Change my mind