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can we agree that gender is a social construct?
| Can you just fuck off?
| can i ask a question? can you answer like a civil person?
| If you want the world to plunge into total chaos (which is why we invented groupings and characterization to prevent to begin with), have laws make absolute no sense, see people abuse this and such. Sure, we've reached the age where basic needs aren't the most important thing anymore, but that doesn't mean we should blindly chase absolute freedom. Idk what's your initial take on gender, but most people subscribe to it, many dogmas have already been abolished, and trying to make
| yourself part of a fringe group is only making yourself more separated and isolated from a mostly tolerant society. Idk, that's my take at least. I'm not sure where you're from, so I can't speak for everyone either. But I believe most educated people are able to leave people be so long as what they believe and fight for doesn't start hurting their way of living. And yes, constantly blaring and forcing people to accept currently fringe motions and parading around places _is_.
| you know why you don't know my initial take on gender? because i didn't disclose it, i want YOUR initial take on gender through the answer of my questions that i do NOT know the answer to.
| That's me answering the question of "is gender a social construct." Not to be rude, but I didn't quite understand what point you're getting at. There's always going to be a divide because males and females are not born the same. Yeah, you can fight for tangible equality because there's numbers and dollars so it, but abolishing soemthing abstract and intangible will only create more loopholes and complications rather than simplying things. Also, maybe it's _ok_ to be different?
| >>e7befa Well, you asked a "can we agree" question, and I said no, taking the question on it's own. About you not knowing what gender means to yourself, idk man. Maybe you should have tried researching a bit more before asking a question that has such divided opinions (a yes/no question)
| literally i didnt have a point to get at. i am asking danger/u/'s opinion.
| i can do all the googling i want, but unless i find a forum i won't really know what those definions MEAN to people. i sus danger/u/ to be mad lgbtqi+, and i am too, so that's why i asked here.
| Can we use a better word to describe one's sex-related identity? When a person says there are only two genders, they're using gender as a synonym of sex. Using the new-age definition, sure, there can be infinite genders, because the possibilities are infinite.
Being one of these things doesn't make you any more or less special. All you did was call yourself something. You didn't build anything. You didn't help anyone. You just made it harder for people to talk with you.
| You shouldn't need a sex related identity. You have sexual organs, and with modern science you can change them. Other people can't see them because it isn't socially acceptable to walk around with them exposed, therefore they won't know, regardless of what gender you present yourself as. I feel like transexual and transgender are different terms. I feel like everyone is technically transgender if gender is something as fluid and non-concrete as a social construct.
| sure, why not
| No, sexual orientation can be fluid, but there's only two genders regardless if you're transsexual or whatever, it's fucking coded into your genes for crying out loud.
| humans are social construct
| >>f22da0 I'm with this one, you can feel all you want about gender but we arnt quite there with gene splicing a third one.
That's some sci-fi shit. I'd like to think most don't really care anyway and will be accommodating to other people identifying with a different gender then there internal gooey bits.
Aslong as they arnt a cunt about it.
| saying gender is a social construct kind of...discredits trans people's experiences with dysphoria, so hearing people say it is a bit iffy. going "pssh! gender doesn't matter! it's all made up by society!" is like spitting in the face of every trans person ever.
i do think gender roles are a social construct though, and i believe sex =/= gender, but gender itself being a construct? nah
| Yes, gender is a social construct. People are just salty that their traditional gender roles are being eschewed.
| So I'm going to be that asshole and point out the dsm-5 calls sex and gender the same, the word you're looking for it gender identity
| So no I see 3 gender related words that are of use, male, female, and trans for people undergoing transition treatment.
Gender identity I give 0 shits about as long as you don't get upset when I call you he/she.
'They' I generally like? it's useful online or for people you don't know but I've never had someone say use they for me so it's a bit uncommon I feel.
| >Rolls a d20 for gender of the day
Things aren't that simple there are difference between man and woman you can't say gender is just a social construct when those are things hardwired by genetics
I'm OK with ppl wanting to be transexual or whatever they can sexually identify as an attack helicopter for all i care but don't expect ppl to accept your choices
| I agree. Dick means man, Vag means woman, and no one gives a shit if you're non binary gender fluid trap.
| Sex is physical, gender is social, it's better that way. Sure you have a penis but if you want to be treated like a woman go ahead. Here's your lower pay. You whore. Take your penis to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. I find you unattractive so no sex for you, but you still have to clean up my shit.
Oh you want to be a guy, miss? Okay. Take your vag to the dangerous job and die in it, you expendable rapist. Fuck you can't even lift or get brain dmg in the sportsball cup! Trash.
| This thread is cancer. "Two genders?" Have we forgot about intersex people who are born with both undeveloped sexual organs? What are they? Freaks?
Gender's not simple. Look up actual philosophical debates about this if you're curious and agree or refute individual theories you see, I don't care. But this "two genders else you're a freak" thing is not normal. Never has been, you just made yourself think that since its "easier" to think that way.
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| can we agree that sex is a concrete thing (your body/your vessel/your reproductive organs)? why can't we call trans people "transexual", do they not want to identify as whatever sex others did not identify them as? is it only a matter of which gender they identify as? if they are only concernced with identifying as whatever gender others did not identify them as, and gender is just a social construct anyways, how are they different than the rest of us?