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God
| As a pantheist i say there is no heaven and hell or sin, but there is a god. It's not a creator. The universe and everything within it is god. Everything is part of god.
| That's what I did I defined god. God is 1) Creator 2) Promises heaven and hell. So my argument is why do you argue that you're inside god and not inside a creator instead. The creator doesn't necessarily have to be the god.
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God created Man and Man promptly returned the compliment.
| Actually the pope retconned hell, so now souls that don't get to heaven go poof.
| That's disputable based on the definition of God. I would define God as the all-powerful being that created everything, whether or not he promises Heaven or Hell. Jewish people don't believe in Heaven or Hell, so...
| >>303303 You don't understand. I was talking in generality. The definition of God is something that does this and that and orders human to do something and if you're not in it's religion you go to some place or you get the repercussion. I'm trying to highlight the difference between god and creator seeing how people often mistake them
| This kid just gave evidence that god exist but none of which specifically points that "god" exist .http://juiceonline.com/11-year-old-boy-says-hawking-was-wrong-god-does-exist-in-viral-god-vs-science-debate-vid/
If you want to prove Judaism god exist you have to prove that the things that are preached within your religion are true. Saying god instead of something more neutral like the creator exist because the universe wouldn't exist without intervention as I've said is naive
| Gods only care about god stuff. They make no sense to us, nor have they the slightest motivation to try to explain themselves. We're all deeply and totally fucked if we have anything a god would want, because it will be taken from us as meat from cattle.
| You're pretty much talking about gnosticism, where there's God and there's the creator, the demiurge.
| I can't even begin to point out how many flaws there are in the OP and >>303737 . You should have defined your concept of 'God' in the first post. The definition you give in the latter post is full of holes. Anyway, the question is moot. You can't prove the existence of God, and why would you want to? It's called belief for a reason.
| Also, it's perfectly possible to believe in a god, but also think that things like 'hell' are human constructs.
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| I want to make a point that the creator is not necessarily god. God promises heaven and hell, endorses only one religion and all those great things but the creator just creates. So if 1 desires to prove the existence of God one has to prove sins exist, heaven and hell exist. Saying god exist because the universe has to exist with direct intervention of a conscious being is ignorant.
What do you think?