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Patreon makes content creator lazy
| It's always kinda lame to ask for money on patreon. Just make sure you REALLY need money to go ahead, otherwise you'll just be a money sucker.
| How dare they want to be paid for the hours of work they put in. Those lazy bums who get paid per video are just coasting along on life, so shameful and slothful.
| >>95e77d they should be paid via views and not by asking money to other people. Unfortunately even making original content won't get you enough views to earn 1$.
| Unfortunately, some content creators are unable to attain the usual 'pay-per-click' or 'pay-per-view' model — take Philip DeFranco for example. He is a channel focused on reporting the news, and the happenings — but because of this, he often cover topics that YouTube deems unfit for their advertisement (hence, demonisation).
I'm fine with Patreon as long as there's a reason behind it. The perks can also be a bonus, but that's a second thing to be put in mind.
| >>468849 idk, youtube is censoring everything, yes, but at the same time they let videos like spiderman and elsa to be around, and they ARE monetized.
I think they just need to fix their shitty algorithm.
| I thought there was youtube kids to make babies watch videos, there should be no need to be so strict on youtube.
| I only suport the smut makers that consistently put out.
| >>202131
That's the problem: these videos are also being shown in YouTube Kids. YouTube has been made aware of these, and has been shooting the videos down.
Either way, we're going offtopic here. The algorithm sucks, I get it, but that doesn't deter the fact that some channels are being unfairly demonetised — and so those channels can have a second chance through Patreon.
| >>202066 OP here, you know what? If they actually do the same or more amount of work after they got fully funded, I don't have any complains. The thing is out 4 out of 5 content creators that I followed, decrease their output after they get the right amount of money.
They start to despise their comments section, do other unrelated shit to stuff that got me interested in their work (like low effort vlogs), and have the attitude of "I can do what I did, but I don't have to anymore"
| is "content creator" just another term for youtuber. cause that's what this thread seems to be about
| I get where you're coming from, but at the same time I have to think "oh wow, look at this guy complain about free content". There could be more to it. This Youtuber I watch, Cryaotic, mostly does Twitch now. In his comments there are just people bashing and dissing his friend that guest stars with him. In general, no one notices how much time he puts on each video(2-4 hours per 30 minutes) and real life problems because hey, he's human too. I dunno man, there's layers to this
| I dunno who you watch OP, but maybe think about it from their stand point? Successful people can be depressed too, in case you didn't know.
And at the same time, it's ultimately free content.
| >>202233 Nice points, but I really can't accept that I can't point out/criticize their dependence on patreon has made a decline in their quality/quantity
Say whatever about effort, depression, and IRL problems; the thing is, they already exist before said content creator got a living payment on patreon.
| They have to deal with depression before they got 10k subs, they also have to deal with them after they get like $2000 every month on patreon
The difference is that when previously on the mercy of ad revenue they don't have time to feel down/indulge in their melodrama because breaks/hiatus will kill their income. While now, tehy can just take a break "for reasons" and still get paid at the end of the month. Patreon made it possible, not just to do full time, also to slack off
| Free content doesn't have to be shit, free content deserves criticism, it needs criticism to improve the quality. And when criticism is shut down because of "I'm doing well on patreon" then you'll have your decline.
| I know that it's not like you shouldn't criticize free content, but there's a point where it gets excessive.
Anyway, like you said, "the difference is that..." Now that they've got safe income they have time to deal with their issues. And that's good for them, but probably not to the viewers. Personally, I think they deserve that. They've made content that so many people enjoy, let 'em enjoy a break every now then.
| In normal jobs you can't do that. But they don't have normal jobs. They've brought me many a smiles, so hey they deserve it. I like to think positive. I'm just a fan, not an employer. Of course I don't know who you watch and of course there's point where the inconsistency grows too much. What happens, happens.
It sucks, but not everything goes perfectly. And hey there's so many other content creators out there.
| In regards to quality, I dunno. I don't put them on super high pedestals. They're not always going to make good things, some times things just drop. Could be the Patreon, could be coincidence. Very of the mindset of, it happens. Sucks when it does
| >>202246 well, what I'm doing is just make a thread in an anon board pointing out the downside of patreon. I never comment on any of these "lazy content creator" page and call them out, let alone harassing them for not uploading/being lazy. The worst that I do is probably unsubbing from their channels. Idk why gurls are so defensive here.
| But "real" jobs allow free time, why should creators spend every single unit of their time and thought to pleasing you? That's terribly consumeristic of you.
| >>202479 don't put words in my mouth. As I said in here>>202172 all I ask for is the same quality and quantity before they get money on patreon.
| If they can put up content every 2 days while having to do their dayjob, what's stopping them from doing the same after they don't have to worry about paying rent?
| Spoonyone is a good example of this. But really who gives a fuck, if people want to burn their money go ahead. Very few creators deserve it. Really comes down to the discipline of the person.
| I'm so confused...I just recently started a Patreon because I'm hellbent on doing something I love for a living... Is it bad that I want to do that? :( I work really hard on my music and videos too.
| What I haven't seen mentioned: the extra dollars might actually put more pressure on creators. "They paid me so now I gotta do it" kind, which some creators might not be ready for. It can push them into further depression, which generally decrease their output.
So it really depends on the creator, really. Being paid for things isn't inherently good. As a patron all we can do is, well, not to expect too much, and support them emotionally too.
| "content" is the most soulless fucking phrase for a creative work.
| >>202479
Real jobs also have people put up with a lot of shit and things they do not like. Actually most of a normal payday contains more disliking things than liking things. But everyone does it nonetheless because you know, those paychecks need to go on coming.
| >>202978
>Real jobs also have people put up with a lot of shit and things they do not like.
That's why they suck and need to be replaced.
| >>202974 content is a nice and neutral word to describe someone's work. If, for example, people use art to refer to youtube vids, half of the replies will be about how it is not art and how it is can be seen as art. It will derail the thread. Content doesn't have to be good/widely accepted. Content can be shit or gold, while if you say someone's art is shit, you'll get a lot of whiteknights and angry response.
| >>203007
And in that regard we get back to what OP was pointing out about Patreon seving as a scapegoat to drop what they dislike *after* receiving the money because they dont like to deal with the boring, uninteresting, potentially shitty part of the work.
>>202990 that will never happen. During all the history of humanity, work always becomes boring and annoying very soon after the initial thrill and excitement dies out.
| >content is a nice and neutral
That's the main issue. It's PC and soulless. "works" isn't as bad and reminds you that there was a person who put effort into it (by "working"). "Content" doesn't really mean anything more than "some thing".
>people use art to refer to youtube vids
how about calling them "videos"
| >>203024
>During all the history of humanity, work always becomes boring and annoying very soon after the initial thrill and excitement dies out.
Which is why I strongly hope for a post-work society. Basic income will hopefully be a thing within a generation.
| >>203026
I share your wish but honestly am not holding my breath to it. 8000 years of human history show no trace of it even though similar ideas have been known to exist since ancient greeks times. The latest hype of such notion revived strongly during the industrial revolution. Huxley even used it in his Brave New World: the Great Ford.
| >>203033
We're already inflating a bubble IMO. Lots of people have jobs that a computer can do better, it's just that companies haven't invested in it yet.
| >>203049
But doesnt it look like history repeating? Automation in production was expected to give workers more free time. Computer design was as well supposed to create free time for artists and architects because what would have to be hand drawn in a week time could be done in a day with computers.
Truth turned out to be that tech advances had people do more work during the same timespan. Efficiency never brought free time, always only ability for more work.
| >>203025 no one gives a fuck about being PC. I use content creator because that's how they refer to themselves and that's how patreon refer to them.
Plus, my complains encompasses Let's player, Game dev, Reviewer, and modders. I don't want to mention their job everytime and refer to their work as video/mods/review/games everytime. Stop being nitpicky and go discuss the topic, not the diction that's used.
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| >>202571
it doesn't really matter what random people think about it as long as you are cool with it.
if you can make money, cool.
anyhow, everyone's got to make money somehow.
| Why are people so passionately hateful about this anyways? You're getting free vids *because* of patrons. You think these guys would be making shit for free? Hell no. And now that the adpocalypse happened it's donations or bust.
I'm more displeased by the large cut patreon takes than with the fact that they're facilitating easy donation paths.
| >>204227
>more displeased by the large cut patreon takes than with the fact that they're facilitating easy donation paths.
same
| >>204227
I dont think we are being passionately hateful. But it is not productive to ignore the elephant in the room either. While noone denies the variety and opportunities Patreon creates, it is also a fact that parasites have been showing up at an even faster rate.
Discussing about a trouble with something does not mean we dont appreciate the something. It actually tells we care for it and dont want the good crops to be lost among the wild weeds.
| >>204227
>passionately hateful
>no one bash specific youtuber/artist
>gurls in this thread are mostly civil and no name calling happens
I'd like to smoke what you are smoking
| Patreon probably just exposes weaker creators anyway that would have deteriorated overtime .
I would be willing to take theoretical hit of some people abusing fan trust for a bunch of niche creators having their dream job and slaving/enjoying the content they create.
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| At first the catch phrase was "help me make this a full time job" later they'll slow down their content because of the "support"