Post number #772622, ID: ac2ada
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It's now based on Arch aparently, anyone tried it out?
Post number #772693, ID: bf2fad
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Well, why would you use that instead of arch, or any better arch-based distro?
Post number #772713, ID: fcaeb6
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Because SteamOS is future xd
Post number #772720, ID: 90d076
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I usw arch btw
Post number #772752, ID: df0b23
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>>772622 how? Steam repo only has the old Debian one
Post number #772753, ID: df0b23
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>>772693 depends on what else is there, other than steam, maybe custom kernel? Or something and stuff
Post number #772769, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>772753 They haven't contributed anything upstreams so my *guess* is that it's properitary software and gnome installed on regular arch.
Maybe the upcomming anti-cheat capabilities will need a custom kernel though?
Post number #772794, ID: fcaeb6
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Steam Deck is using custom SteamOS using Arch
Post number #772920, ID: df0b23
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>>772769 that's probably because they haven't released anything yet. Wait
Post number #772926, ID: 568464
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>>772769 They are using Plasma and have employed KDE devs directly as QA, proton is public and the only thing which may be propietary is the new Steam UI for it. Maybe anticheat stuff too.
Post number #772982, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>772920 Maybe. The Debian based SteamOS never contributed anything upstreams either. Valve have only been making contributions to Wine.
Post number #773020, ID: 4d5ba1
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Valve already shipped developer kits so, due to the nature of GPL2, it's safe to assume that there are no new kernel (or other OSS) code present in SteamOS. It's likely regular arch with properitary software on top.
You can wait all you want, but I'm not holding my breath.
Post number #773027, ID: 28b95d
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>>773020 implying arch doesn't use proprietary blobs xD nice try parabola
Post number #773058, ID: 0a99e6
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Tbh the anti cheat could be a proprietary thing, but valves own website recommends anti-cheat in userspace and says that kernel is unsupported and not recommended so I'm guessing it's a thing added to proton unless they went against their own recommendations
Post number #773060, ID: 0a99e6
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I assume the dev kits don't have the anti-cheat stuff finished yet since it says they are "working with" them for launch and steam os 3 as it's called should be open source later down the road but yeah valve kinda just lets things die so I don't think I'd recommend running it
Post number #773100, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>773027 Arch doesn't ship with anything proprietary, does it? I'm pretty sure you have to install those yourself.
>>773058 It's most likely proprietary code running trough Wine, yeah.
Post number #773102, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>772920>>772753 I've been pondering a bit and I think I spoke too soon. You're probably right.
It's not unlikely that Valve will maintain its own SteamOS repositories for stability and security purposes instead of relying on Arch's rolling release model.
Post number #773105, ID: 0a99e6
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>My game uses anti-cheat, which currently doesn’t work with Proton - how do I get around this for Steam Deck? We’re working with BattlEye and EAC to get support for Proton ahead of launch.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq
Info: looks like it is indeed planned to be a proton patch, I'd expect it to work on non Steam Deck steam as well since it's such an open platform if it didn't someone would pull the files off anyway
Post number #773129, ID: ac2ada
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>>773105 Woah this might mean we'll actually get non mallware anti-cheat. amazing
Post number #773143, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>773129 Even though it runs on the user level and not the kernel level it will still be an intrusive, properiatary, locked-down, insecure anticheat. You shouldn't run the application if you don't find it trustworthy.
Sure, you can sandbox in wine or use something like Apparmor or SELinux to restrict it from accessing your files, processes and various kernel level features ...
... but by doing so the anti-cheat will likely label it as tampering or something. Otherwise it would be trivial to separate your cheating software from your anti-cheating software. The only way it can work is to be intrusive and insecure.
Post number #773152, ID: 0a99e6
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To be fair the game you're playing and the store you bought it from is also proprietary so if you're worried about that I'm not sure you'd make it far enough to worry about the anti-cheat much
Though assuming it's locked into wine you've got the benefit of actually being able to close it when you don't need it as opposed to windows where some kernel anti-cheat seems to hang around
Post number #773164, ID: 28b95d
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Fuck multiplayer! I hate people anyway
Post number #773172, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>773152 The store is proprietary? How does that affect anything lol
Post number #773173, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>773152 You can restrict the steam client and the game itself from the rest of your system down to kernel level, if you know what you're doing.
You can't do the same with anti-cheat software since that would defy its purpose. Anti-cheat software must be invasive and insecure by design.
Post number #773182, ID: 0e33e5
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I installed it on a virtual maschiene and I have heared often enough that you shouldn't unironically use it. Can't give much of a review since somehow I don't remember a bit of it.
Post number #773404, ID: 0a99e6
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>>773173 I mean if you're that worried maybe the steam deck is perfect for you, no better containment than a completely separate device
And if you know what you're doing you could probably do the same with EAC and battle eye since they'd be dealing with proton and valve wants them to be in userspace
Post number #773459, ID: 4d5ba1
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>>773404 I don't think my point is comming across to you at all. If kernel level anti-cheat is malware(like she said) then this is still malware.
There's nothing that's stopping you from configuring apparmor or SELinux to isolate these pieces of software from accessing the rest of the system, sure, but if they're worth their salt the game/online services will shut down because this counts as tampering with the anti-cheat software's intended purposes.
Post number #773856, ID: 0a99e6
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I'll admit I'm not that familiar with configuring apparmor or selinux, but I assume since it being in wine and valve specifically wanting userspace anti cheat it would likely tolerate more or rather not really be aware of more on the Linux, giving you more room to restrict it, but yes it could be that you can't without it noticing
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