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Death of flash
| I know Flash had problems but surely there had to a better way or more time to figure stuff out.
Feels we had the choice made for us if we like it or not.
Anyone else feel the net is being getrafied by predatory corporation's?
| that's true :(
but there are some projects that are working on archiving flash games. check flashpoint, flash game archive, internet archive (haven't tried this one). you can download a launcher program and browse their library and play games from there.
i replayed the deep sleep trilogy (horror point & click) on flashpont recently and it wasn't nearly as good as i remembered :P
| I mean there's plenty of archival projects and open source players that do a decen't job so i'd say we got pretty well out of this shit hole thanks to the hard work of ppl who like flash content
| While the technologie sure has gotten obsolete now, it's kind of sad to see all this go to flames. I mean, websites like Absoluflash have been dead for years now but...
It's like burning libraries to replace paper.
| >>723110 Like they never stop to look at the bigger picture or care about the common good. Always short term profits at any cost no matter what they have to burn in the process.
Bottom line and getting the newest product out takes priority.
| Two things
1) project flashpoint might interest you
2) flash was killed for much the same reason as java in the browser, the way it works is simply not secure
Lots and lots of Remote Code Execution vulns. If you take a look at cves for 2015 the year before chrome disabled flash there was 283 different RCEs found
With a RCE I can tell your computer to do whatever I tell it to just because you visited my website and had flash
I know what's on my site and that's not a good idea
| every time i almost think it reads THE DEATH OF FLESH and that is soo brutal~...
| Thread title is wrong. Flash isn't dead. It's only Adobe®™© flash (formerly macromedia®™© flash) which died.
There still is googles®™© implementation "pepper flash"®™©. But even more important there are (f)oss implementations????, namely Gnash and lightspark:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
https://lightspark.github.io/
So flash isn't dead yet.
In my opinion, the actual problems with flash weren't solved at all by replacing it with java, javascript or even html5.
| HTML was never designed to provide a ui or even functional code for software. I mean it's just hypertext after all. All those "Software as a service"/Web-App solutions are inherently inefficient, insecure and dependendictive by design.
| The difference is browsers can actually keep their sandbox secure where flash and java couldn't, if they had managed to do so maybe we'd still be using them but instead here we are
| It'll only die if we let it die.
Keep talking about it and there'll be enough people around to maintain it.
Download the standalone version, I forgot what it's called and it's a bit harder to find, but it's worth digging it up. Then download the flash animation/games you like, start your own collection if you haven't already, and it'll stay by your side for as long as you wish.
| >>723465
>browsers can actually keep their sandbox secure
Can they? Just because they are browsers? Can you explain how and why? What makes them technically different?
I mean, yes browsers implement open standards, which is a good thing, because it still makes alternatives, including (f)oss ones, possible. But companies like google and microsoft put much effort into making their implementation the standard which will cause the same issues we had with flash.
| Google Chrome and MS Edge have become very dominant and they turned into a invasive nightmare piece of software like other VM/Interpreter based systems did. The "sandboxing makes thing secure" argument when java was introduced turned out to be nonsense very fast.
It can't solve the problem that users and even developers sacrice security for convenience and don't understand why this is very bad thing. Or they just don't care because they all believe it's someones else problem.
| >>723647 they have done a much better job than java or flash, being built on oss helps but at their core is just much better design principles and the hindsight of watching them fail
And you know chromium and firefox are both oss right, also edge is just chrome
I don't understand where you're going with your second paragraph
| >also edge is just chrome
Edge is Chromium, not Chrome.
| Chrome is chromium too
| >>723677
The OSS part is essential. Else we couldn't discuss about "design principles" at all, because few is known about the design principles of proprietary technologies like flash. At this point i remind you again that java was intentionally designed and advertised to be "secure".
So again: What are those design-principles exactly that makes modern web-browsers more secure than java (or flash)? Don't they just do the same stuff in the end? (=a VM/interpreter for remote code)
| >>da5eca
If you are right about the superiority of browsers by their "design principles" (compared to java/flash), then why there are so many security upgrades for them? It seems like they aren't that secure at all. Distributing code via http(s) and execute it in real-time through a VM or Interpreter has conceptual flaws that don't disappear just because they are implemented in a web-browser.
| >>da5eca
In the end it depends all on the Desktop OS and here MS has the monopoly. Adobe Flash and Java were popular when Windows still hadn't a proper access/rights management, like unixoid systems. So many security issues came from there and were solved as soon MS started implementing more unixoid features (the other way around MS rather calls it stealing).
In short: The sandboxing of modern web browsers only works better compared to java back then because Windows has improved.
| At this point I also like to mention Android, which is a unixoid OS with a massively Java based software ecosystem. You'll notice if an app runs in java or if it's a castrated web-browser showing a web-app (these are really the worst pieces of sh*t)
| >>723733 yep that's what I meant, figured the people of tech would know what I meant and didn't feel like correcting it
| i'm just sad that there won't be any more edgy teenager flash games. making and playing them was my childhood and revisiting them filled me with cringe and nostalgia. i hope the new generation can find something similar to this feeling.
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| How do you feel about it? I felt it died because apple hated it and Adobe being a terrible company.
Feels we,re going to lose a lit of Internet history