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Firefox Alternatives
| It's all the same shit.
| why
| There aren't any good ones, basically everything that's not Firefox is built off chrome
There's waterfox but it's just old Firefox and doesn't support new add-ons well. And palemoon which is a fork of Firefox but the devs are asshats
So stick with Firefox unless you're ok with using chromium
| Tor
| >>688058 idk, i'm just worried about the recent developments at mozilla corp, i still love the work that mozilla does. i'll probably end up sticking with firefox.
| Time to regurgitate a new Firefox fork and call it Fireburg.
| Feuerburg
| Just stick with Mozilla, basically supporting the company anyway
| GNU/icecat
| >>688423 gnu version of Firefox so you're still using Firefox, not sure if it plays Netflix since I know they hate drm and Netflix requires the drm video thing I believe
| >>688431
at this point i really se no point in a payed streaming service too convoluted with all the region/ licance bs
but ye basicly
>>688025
this
unless your ok with using pure html / rly minor JS support
(aka almost no websites nowdays)
your stuck with chromium/waterfox as your best choice imo although both being bad
| It does suck that 250+ people were fired, but Mozilla's pivot to be more product oriented is a good thing in the long run. They'll actually uphold their privacy / libre ideals and not need Google's lucrative contract to remain Firefox's default search engine.
| I had a great experience with palemoon - but I'm by no means a power user. Ublock works, stack overflow opens, I'm good.
| >>688524
firefox has a hardcoded auto-update sys
only way of stopping it is OS level restricting it from writing to disk, making users choices even it about:config null and void.
Not to mention the several common fingerprinting techniques that they know about yet have been ignoring for years, like the most basic one window resolution.
their "privacy/security concern" is a public face not mutch more and those 2 points prove it
| don't get me wrong i still use firefox but rly it was or there was something better
| The more you try to secure your browser the more sites will stop working especially nowdays.
as long as firefox does not protect your privacy, more sites will make intrusivness required which makes firefox less likley to be private due to causing user inconviniance/ breaking sites all together
and just to not go fully on a trust me basis, it shows on the firefox wiki they apsolutley refuse to fix even timezones.
| >>688535 bruh without being able to know their window resolution, all browser based games will be broken. and it's helpful when making UI's. there's like a hundred better fingerprinting properties you could've pointed at lmao. Just use firefox maximized and you're no longer unique via resolution. further, evergreen updates has been amazing for security. Would you want your grandma using a two year old version of firefox that's littered with CVE's?
| >>688544
Spoofed resolution breaks next to nothing
When making a UI the site is local so irrelavent.
all you need is about 10 properties and it's unique and resolution is a mojor factor.
Yes their fixing bugs which improves security.
still my point was their knowingly putting in bad security practices(hardcoded auto-updates).
>keep maximized
...just the fuck
| >>688441 Richard stallman would agree but much of the population uses at least one streaming service which is a problem in that case
>>e5e3fb sir this is a Wendy's
| >>688587
>this is a wendy's
got a chuckle out of me
but trust me all of that was the abridged version
| IceCat
| PaleMoon is good alternative with regular updates and without telemetry
| >>689035 it's not bad but outdated at some points. I'd wish it had current day plugins. I personally use IceCat and Palemoon/MyPal depending on the hardware since Palemoon is good for weak computers...
No, I don't care about that the creator is a furry.
| I didn't know the creator was a furry, I've only seen him be shit to other devs trying to work on or with palemoon
| >>688561 Yes, if you keep your browser window maximized, you'll have the same window resolution as a significant portion of users.
>When making a UI the site is local so irrelavent.
the hell you mean by this? You can't spoof your resolution without breaking shit. Most modern sites and games need to know your resolution for their interactivity / responsiveness.
And hard-coded updates, aka Evergreen updates, does much more good than harm. Chrome, Safari, and even Edge does this.
| >>689875
hard-coding updates is considered a bad practice
who does it does not affect that.
-it forcibly breaks user enviorments on discontinuation / change of features
which firefox is guilty of doing on several accounts
-turns into nagware if you disable it OS level
-has next to no benefit(please name them)
-if compromised it's the biggest security nightmare you could possibly immagine
| >>689875
Aparently you don't think keeping your window maximized at all times is ridiculus.
Personaly from experiance i've not encountered any real issues spoofing resolution but you can't argue that having an option todo so is bad for security.
| >>689875
"It's helpfull when making UIs"
When makeing UIs the site is compleatly local therefore fingerprinting restrictions do not apply it's as simple as that.
| >>689893
now you might of made a mistake and meant:
UIs in general need screen resolution
In which case youd be partly right
as some need it _as of now_
but not only have i never seen a UI that breaks when spoofing 1080p
those websites ware intentionally made that way
they could have been made without it
and there is no inherent benefit in needing to know the resolution as there are prently of other non intusive methods to achive the same result
| >>689895
and if genuenly know a website to which knowing the percise arangment of pixels is crucial send it, i still won't think any diffrent on the topic since security outweighs that website
but at least ill get to see why percise resolution info is so important to you
| Dont know if its chrome-based but have you tried brave?
| >>689896
Evergreen updates are good because it means your grandma isn't using an 8 year old copy of Firefox.
Use Firefox ESR if you need legacy versions of FF.
"Sites are local so it's fine" is BS because the fingerprinting happens at the site level. If javascript can run, then you can be fingerprinted and have the data sent to some server.
An easy one is any in-browser FPS; you need to know the resolution. Because getting 527,325 mouse coords makes no sense otherwise.
| >>i still won't think any diffrent on the topic since security outweighs that website
You should instead block javascript, and only allow it on sites you trust (I use uMatrix so I can gradually unblock stuff til sites work). That'll stop most fingerprinting. Then combine it with FF's "Strict" anti-tracking mode.
Or you could just use TOR, which is based off FF, since it's the most security/privacy conscious browser that doesn't compromise on usability.
| >>689996
grandma has no clue how to disable normal updates
especially outsite settings
if someone does that they know enough or at least don't care enough to take care of updating themselves.
+it's super annoying if you are using an external updater e.g. package managers/ building from source
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| Hey, with the recent Mozilla layoffs, I've been looking at alternatives. Any suggestions, /tech/?