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Linux is alive and well
| Indeed
| Agree, Linux just made some improvements in terms of it's public image and reactionaries are triggered af
| Not a reactionary, but how tf could an operating system be offensive?
| >>414033 basically, people are freaking out that the developers putting in a policy that says they don't have to deal with assholes must be an evil (((sjw))) takeover
| >>414092
That's a very poor oversimplification. Let me fix it for you:
The "woman" that introduced the Code of Conduct is very publicly against meritocracy. She wants people to have their code accepted based on their color and sex instead of their code quality. You can see why a lowering of code quality in the software that has direct access to the kernel, right? Not only this, but she also breaks the rules of her CoC on Tweeter all the time by being racist against white people...
| >>414186
...But even if we ignore the blatant anti-meritocratic agenda, one can also make a semi-reasonable case that this is a corporate takeover. Google, Intel, and Facebook devs signed-off the CoC. You could argue that they are trying to kill Linux from the inside with poor code quality and intentionally vulnerable code. Google is developing a new OS right now, so it's not impossible.
| >>414186 a bit of spoilers: he won't listen to you, because any "critics" against sjw are classified as racism/blabla
| >>414188
I agree with you on most things you mentioned, but not about the corporate takeover. All these companies profit greatly from Linux, especially Google, and they've spent money to help in its development. They wouldn't do that if they knew Linus wasn't in charge, since HE's kept the kernel's quality high throughout the years. They simply signed off on the CoC because they are in a similar position themselves (CoC'd).
| >>414219 no linux means no android, but i heard they want to get off from linux, so not sure if it's what they want, but i agree that they signed it because of the similar position they are in.
| >>414254 and switch to what, windows? we all know how that went.
android needs to just fork off of linux, keep everything the same, and say they are separate.
>>414186 in all fairness, two of the best programmers I know are black.
>>414188 they might try, but since open source, there will always be some good OG distro's out there. Linux is a hydra. Kill one, two more come back as forks.
| >>414266 Red Hat was hotbed of shit code for years and the only thing that came out of it is the counter movement against systemd. This time, it's the linux kernel that has been injected with the anti-meritocratic approach. People might have managed to get away from shit code so far by retreating to the more free distros, where they get to pick and choose, but now the heart of all the distros is afflicted. That's why people are panicking, so I'd suggest not downplaying it.
| >>414266
I'm not saying people of color can't be good programmers. Anyone can be, but this should be judged by their skill and not their color.
>>414218
Doesn't hurt to try.
>>414219
I personally don't think it is a corporate takeover but some people do so that's why I presented it. Even though big sillicon valley names love to "Embrace, Expand, Extinguish", we can't know without proof.
| >>bc3027
the "corporate takeover" happened years ago and for good reason. critical infrastructure must be maintained and to do this costs money, especially with a limited pool of technical nous. the supposed SJW infiltration is entirely corporate branding and will have no visible effect on the kernel code (or any of the other infrastructure that the Linux foundation pours money into) at all.
| Man you guys live in a parallel universe with your anti-SJW-paranoia.
As a leftist myself, I have a very critical view on the massive focus on identity politics by some parts of the left, but it's entirely different from the kind of "critique" you spread arround here. You make it appear like a big fat conspiracy just as the old nazists propaganda did it.
This whole "Linux is dead" thing is as stupid as all the "look at Sweden" bullshit.
| >>414568 there are indeed some people that go into conspiracy but for example>>414186 this (and only this) is only facts and they can be googled. Just go to her website and tweeter, do some research, and stop saying this retarded bullshit. I hate when people who did some research get ignored with an excuse like that. The reason why everyone goes into conspiracy is because no one understands why she does it and why it happened.
| >>414599 the post you linked should say woman who wrote not introduced, as far as I can find she didn't have anything to do with the kernel team adopting it
| >>414856 tbh you may be right because i don't know about this part, but even if so the one who introduced shares her points of view, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense, and if so she is just like the writer so it doesn't matter much
| >>414866 I'd argue you could adopt it without agreeing with every point of view the author has, I don't believe it talks about wanting to remove meritocracy in the coc at all
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| >>414933 well you're right, i read the coc itself and in short it just says that if you talk anywhere about anything not related to work you get banned for offensive speech. But m8, imagine if the president says "we adopted this new set of rules, they're great, also the writter of these rules is a nazi", even though the set of rules is okay, the fact itself about nazis make some bad reactions, same here.
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| >>414599
I'm pretty critical about google or twitter as source for "facts". They offer you the facts you want to see by design.
Also >>414092 was clearly antisemite (double/triple parentheses is a well known code for it) and>>414186 just downplayed it as "oversimplification".
Also it says "woman", which clearly shows the non-acceptance of a gender transition.
Now comming to the Linux CoC:
If you prefer working with racists and nazists, fork the code and make your own project.
| >>415043
Im glad that you're critical about google and twitter but by that i meant her twitter page and the website as written in the coc, i would take theses as facts, also nice troll, almost fell.
| >>415050
Well you see, I don't agree completely on any passage in the discussed CoC thingy, but I share the intention behind it.
I doubt it really will have a bad impact on the code quality, because I don't share the assumption that good coders have to be assholes and that good people have to be bad coders. In the end of the day I prefer not to work with assholes. If they believe they have to behave this way, they can work without me, alone or with other assholes.
| >>415172
If you share the true intention of the coc then i only want you to ask one question: have you read her postmeritocracy site, about meritocracy itself and her twitter? If yes then it's about opinions so it doesn't matter, but if no then i'll say that your post is retarded.
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| >>415032 I understand why the reaction exists, I believe it's an over reaction, the coc does not say what you said it does Quote:
>applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community.
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f
It also says maintainers will take appropriate and fair action, so if this is a bad move it's entirely up to them
| >>415179 ok a) you can't know the intention of the kernal team b) she had nothing to do with Linux adopting this coc
| >>415269 in order for them to be banned for something said outside the kernel teams communication the coc says they must be representing their group or community, and break the COC, and that the appropriate and fair punishment is banning as decided by the maintainers who accepting to the coc could also temp ban among other things
If the maintains want they could just not punish people, it's all up to them now
| >>415269
My apologies, i missed this part when reading, though despite that, sjws (and the author too) already accused some contributors for their personal things and posts, so i guess it gets misused a lot.
>>415278 but as you said here, since it is up to the team to think it's fine.
>>415273 in the answer i see that you didn't read them, as you would understand why there is such overreactions, though i agree that the coc itself is just "fine".
But i still recommend you to read it
| >>415505 it's likely to be misused if the kernel team let's people, it's really all up to how they do things.
I do indeed understand the over reactions, the people who wrote the coc have pretty terrible ideas, but I still think being outraged over their ideas is unproductive
| On this issue I should add
| Linux isn't going anywhere. Aristcrat, the Australian slot machine company, uses a Linux base in all their newer machines.
Source: I fix slot machines
| >>415851
Your company is downstream of changes. If someone poops in the river, will you say it does not matter cause you drink from it?
| >>416138
My friend, a change in how you handle it does not equate to it being dead or useless. All that this policy really means is that you'll have to go through & check anything you get for quality control, which you should have been doing anyway. On a corporate level it secures coders' jobs, as there's now more work involved in insuring code is good for that specific use.
To use your analogy, now you have to build a water filtration plant down stream.
| >>415179
>If you share the true intention of the coc then i only want you to ask one question: have you read her postmeritocracy site, about meritocracy itself and her twitter?
I didn't know that the kernel team is female and communicates over twitter.
| >>416870
What are these red pills, causing shitzophrenia and paranoia, some kind of people are talking about so often lately?
Also if you write "based" you mean like on a fundament? So you could also say fundamentalist.
| >>417036
>all the thread is about convincing why it is not paranoia
>in the thread you have all the "why" and "how"
>muh paranoia
Well good job, you did well, but now could you please read the thread and stop writing retarded things?
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