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could androids/robots develop a conscious?
| Not unless they're built to.
| No, not really. Unless explicitly programmed to have something that mimics a conscious from the human viewpoint, the notion is pure fantasy.
| Consciousness is a biological phenomenon. Duplication requires a similar approach, not a purpose built bit shuffler.
| We might make artificial consciousness by mistake. We don't really understand how it works, how to map and explain all activity of human brain. Neither can we map the whole of global network. It might at some point spark a conscious mind.
| Its hard enough to determine if certain humans/animals have a conscious mind
| >>305886 Technology does not advance with mistakes. We are not talking some discovery of something fundamental that was previously overlooked or unable to be detected. We are talking complicated systems. You can NEVER build what you do not fully understand. And we have NOT built our brains, hence we still don't understand them. Speaking of things like 'machine consciousness' is only word juggling at best.
| Real question, if robots had a conscience and could delete it, would they?
| I think most technology was invented by accident (the wheel and how to create fire for example)
| >>306612 A discovery and an invention are different things. And they were both discoveries as to that too. The first wheels were treelogs and stuff was dragged on them. Fires were natural fenomena that people started to get closer and closer too when they happened, slowly defeating their fear from it. Even lighting fires by friction was most probably a discovery first from sparks of falling rocks, in time better and better imitating the natural event.
| Only after understanding the events, THEN inventions would follow for various tools and ways to best recreate the needed conditions to give birth to the sought after event.
| >>f0cdc6 I can understand that so let's also look at building bridges. Most of the advancement has come from understanding bridge collapses (mistakes). I think an AI conscience will be developed from a mistake rather than intention. It's hard to predict a mistake so I think it's incorrect to say an AI conscience will never happen
| human "consciousness" is an illusion. what people think it is, is just selfawareness.
| I believe anything that's given the ability to "think" and learn things is in itself becoming conscious, or at least, is a step towards "true consciousness."
Machines may be different from us, but it would be... bad... to just call it impossible, when we ourselves don't truly know what makes us truly conscious.
| Seems unlikely.
| Do plants or insects have conciousness? Or what about other species?
I'm pretty sure that there once will be a real artificial, not only virtual, conciousness. And i'll bet it happens by mistake, as there is not much interest to create it on purpose.
It'll happen on a self-learning system. The main problem will be to recognize this conciousness as such.
| >>309823
Consciousness can be inferred from communication and behavior because it isn't one specific thing. We can't communicate meaningfully with plants or insects, and plants do not exhibit behavior as we know it. They might be conscious but we'll never know. Computers, unlike organisms, can be programmed to mimic commumication and behavior, so that's where the question is.
| Background processes could be considered a concience
| Anyone think the Chinese Box scenario is off? The man in there gets bored he might try his own answers.
| OP is your question rhetorical or hypocritical cuz nothing can get consciousness(something similar to human behavior) from nothing, unless it was something there to begin with.For ex an autonomous neural network with a huge storage free to expand itself of course after multiple stimulations.We have in paper this technology and its tends to expand but we yet to find a computing system capable of handling all those algorithms.
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| And if they did, would it be something bad? Go off g/u/rls