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Hi /tech/ I used to be a pleb but I want to join your boat
| Step one: Install GNU+Linux
| Step two: use only Free Software as defined by the FSF.
| Seems more like you just want to be informed, which is wise. You don't need to switch OSes if you don't want to.
| >>299794
It's hard to be informed without relying on sources. And some sources are, well, less reliable than others.
| >>299807 Since op was complaining about taking things for granted, first thing to do is to "doubt" and test the info he gets. Even the ones from here.
GNU+linux isn't some magic making anyone a techliterate out of nowhere. it's more about taking habits and getting used to search things and understand why and how. If he simply follows whatever guys here say he isn't gonna be any better than he currently is.
| >>299844
You're not wrong. But I learned everything by just throwing myself into cold water so to speak, with GNU/Linux. You'll have problems with which you're gonna have to deal with on Free OSes, that in turn will make you stronger and more knowledgeable. Windows is a brick wall at some point. It was never meant to be a freedom hacker OS.
| >>299844
>GNU+linux isn't some magic making anyone a techliterate out of nowhere.
But it is a requirement.
The approach of Windows and OSX is to stop people doing stupid things, but it also has the effect that it restricts them from doing smart things.
The deeper you go into the matter, the more you see the limits proprietary systems gives you. In my expierence it can't be early enough to switch to linux. Even in the linux world there are "convenience traps" but they're not locked.
| >>299794
The thing is, the more you are informed, the more you realize how much information, power and control you give to software companies and web-service providers and how the business really works. That most of it is about marketing, artificial restrictions, surveillance, customer bounding and monopolizing the market instead about actually providing something new, "innovative" and useful.
A device running proprietary software is not really your device.
| Stop bickering and just install linux, niggers
| tor tor linux linux tor tor linux tor linux tor duckduckgo tor linux
| Stop jerking off over Linux, OP wanted to learn how the world around us works not a new OS. If OPs computer is running on Windows I suggest learning it. Not coding I mean how programs run, networking and what browsers do, how Windows deals with information, eventually you'll want to code on your own, and that's how things should be, learn as a mean to an end not just for the sake of learning, that's how our education system got so fucked.
| >>301153
What could one possibly learn from Windows? They always put their own retarded spin on everything to keep you in their world.
Also it doesn't have to be GNU/Linux. *BSD is fine too.
| If you wanna hide from the NSA neither Linux or Windows will help you. If you wanna hide from corporations it's easy. You don't need a new OS
| >>301156 Stop being philosophical, by the time you'll reach Windows limits you'd be better off writing your own Linux spinoff.
| >>301159
I'm being practical. Windows being proprietary discourages exploration and hacker culture. It also teaches people wrong ways to do things. The concept of a package manager for example is completely foreign to a Windows user because it's a platform for third party non-free software.
| >>301163 The "right" way for you is the Linux way. Part of why our society is so fucked is because the majority loves to impose their way on others.
If you came to that conclusion after learning to program on Windows, then clearly starting on Windows isn't that bad isn't it?
If you feel like spending hours day after day, months after months how to program Linux in-depth for no other reason than "someone told me to" then go ahead.
I suggest learning out of a need not discipline.
| >>301178
OP asked for a way to join "our boat". So I suggested GNU/Linux as a way to break away from his habits he clearly learnt nothing from. I learned to program C++ on Windows with Visual Studio. Yes I learned, but looking back on it it was a terrible way to do programming. I don't see the issue in recommending people objectively superior and freer way to do their computing.
| OP here, hello. I've already been swimming with Ubuntu and the biggest pain is not having good support for LibreOffice and uh. video games? Pretty much everywhere else a normie needs is there. Video player, image viewer, web browser. If I ever need to tweak things it's right here.
I've just now managed to compile a thing from github (lots of problems with getting right binaries Cmake asked for). But my biggest problem is that I feel I haven't learned much beyond my daily needs.
| anyone who doesn't use Linux is literally a peasant piece of shit who doesn't deserve to love
| My router belongs to my internet company and runs on proprietary software I'm not allowed to touch. Free me!
| >>301270 This is normal. As you try to do normal things some problems may arise, it may look like you could do the same on Windows with less effort and sometimes it's totally true, but using a "libre" OS is not just about commodity, it is about having the control of your computer.
I have been able to play some games on Manjaro that I could not run on Windows, maybe because my desktop environment uses way less RAM now. Windows drains resources, to spy on you, for example.
| >>301270
Ubuntu is shit. Try out KDE-Neon.
>not having good support for LibreOffice
add libreoffice fresh-ppa to your repositiory: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
>video games?
playonlinux/wine/steam
>Video player
Dragonplayer, but additionally install VLC and/or SMplayer
>image viewer
Gwenview
>web browser
Firefox. But i would recommend to use waterfox, or if you're hardcore try out falkon (formerly qupzilla)
| >>301370
>I've just now managed to compile a thing from github
Thats always a dangerous thing, especially if you run "sudo make install". It could mess up your system. Have a look at "checkinstall". It enables you to create easily a deb package, which makes integration into the (packaging-)system more seamless.
>But my biggest problem is that I feel I haven't learned much beyond my daily needs.
Try bash-programming to do some batch processing action. Always make backups!
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| I am terrified that while technology is increasingly accessible, the level of users' knowledge is decreasing. People are so easily manipulated and as a result, it becomes harder to come across online content that is not commercial crap.
I want to stop being a pleb who takes everything for granted and know the technology that I am using. I want to hop on the /tech/ boat.