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| An AI will never have feelings, it will just become more and more skilled to simulate it.
| But feelings only induce or reduce the attraction of a choice. Having them is inferior to cold hearted machines.
| Feelings are problems that won't solve anything if we put them into machines. I doubt our futute capitalist overlords think it'll be worth it.
| Yeah I sort of agree feelings wouldn't be something that would be wanted but I am not sure it isn't impossible. Once we have achieved mapping the human brain onto a computer it might be possible. The human brain is just like a computer if you think about it. Rather than 1's and 0's though it's the trillions of neurons in your brain firing simultaneously creating electrical signals. Unless you think a soul is necessary.
| >>263704 Wait, does this really mean they are using transistors of the size of 1-10 nanometers?
Damn, that's very impressive.
I don't care too much about AIs, but I hope they make our world a better place to live (it's unlikely).
| A sophisticated will be as a very skilled actor, it's like putting a human face on your smartphone, changing expression when there is a specific opportunity to do it, dictate by his algorithm. I doubt your smartphone will ever feel fear if put it above a cliff, however his algorithm will react but not feel.
>>265263 I think it is more close to feeling,but if we don't control it, it means that we don't know it enough to confirm.
| And put a "random mod" in the algorithm isn't going to resolve the problem, because it means we have a control on it. Unpredictability is what partly define the human nature of feelings I think.
| >>264362
If you can reproduce feelings artificial, it means you have total control of it. Our capitalist overlords want to have dumb working machines/slaves. So either they construct them or they learn how push the right buttons on existing beeings. This is all what "AI" research is basically about right now. The only new thing is, that human capitalists could get concurrence by a more performance AI that goes out of control.
| >>265947
Capitalist will just let program capitalist logic as they can't accept or even understand any other ways to think/live. They are like fundamentalists believing in their god given/natural right to rule.
| >>265928 yeah,but it's fiction and I found unfortunate that a lot of sci-fi makes believe lot of people that AI will have "true feelings", it's like all those press article who talks about "terminator" with AI.
| >>265948 lots of Job requires skills as creativity or imagination, if our "capitalists overlord" as you say wants to replace us , they will be forced to develop this sector, so there will not only been "dumb machines".I know it's a cyberpunk forum, but you have to adopt a less Manichean view.
| >>266448
Some tasks that need creativity or imagination already are done better by dumb machines. What mechanization was/is to manual workers, computation is to intelectual ones.
>I know it's a cyberpunk forum, but you have to adopt a less Manichean view.
Pls. explain what you refer on exactly.
| >>266852 I guess anon meant that regardless of this being a cyberpunk forum with an audience in love with the idea of machines fully mimicking and reproducing humans in all aspects, the truth is that this probably will never happen and they will always remain machines. Very good at mimicking and being made to resemble humans, but ultimately automatons programmed to fulfil the goal of imitation.
| Aren't feelings just the body's way to reacting to positive and negative events? Things benefitting and suppressing its survival? Pain being the mind's way of telling us to make something stop. Pleasure telling us to keep going.
If a machine can differentiate these positive and negative things, then it's not fundamentally different from human feelings. What does a human possess that is inherently different?
| >>267066 you excatly get my point, thx.
>>266852
I was implying that cyberpunk genre tend to exaggerate the different social groups, because it's obsessed by the thema of inequality between poor and rich. I mean sure, there is a growing inequality (and it will probably continue to grow), but no need to show everyone who's not poor as "evil capitalists", there are a lot of more different reason to develop AI than just for the salary of a few people.
| >>267066
>the truth is that this probably will never happen and they will always remain machines
Is there any proof for your statement?
Beside this, is it really the important question? Because at least all technological advance won't change anything if society stucks in backwardness. So if there are artificial beeings fully equal to humans, they need the same rights that stand in contradiction to capitalism.
And if they just remain machines, they just continue industrialization.
| >>267403 There can not be proof in what you ask, just about like all the proof you have for the contrary is depictions of movies and thoughts about "what machine may become".
Currently, artificial intelligence is not existent and not even something we'd expect from the foreseeable future, in what people think it is as Machine Intelligence, as opposed to Natural Intelligence.
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Artificial Intelligence is in reality a group of mathematic heuristics, algorithm theory of efficient data storage and retrieval, and pattern recognition. Neural network computing is also beeing added into this mix, due to it being in part a component of all the above.
| Touchable holograms would be cool
| Unfortunately touchable holos will probably never happen as it's not really physically possible. Perhaps some kind of implant-like AR that feeds neural stimuli to the brain could create the illusion of touching what's not there, instead
| hologram in general will maybe not be possible, because light need a physic support to reflect ( and air doesn't count)
| Can't wait for issues on sentient AI needing rights. Can you legally marry an artificial life form? What happens if we don't play nice with the machines? Will they just stop, or would they take the human idea to rebel?
Of course, this kind of stuff is beyond far future, I'm not saying we're anywhere near these problems.
| Assuming that we live in the future where AI has a sense of "identity" or "self", like in the Matrix and Ghost in the Shell", my opinion is, machines simply cannot be allowed to take over humans.
Especially in the area of making decisions, as what is logical might not always be the best answer. The gap between a human and AI is far too great. Humans have five senses, and are way too superior in our ability to learn (or ability to make connections) and respond to stimulus.
| In certain situations, a logical or politically correct answer might not always be the best answer.
A machine will always take the logical or politically correct path in making a decision, whereas a human has the ability to make decisions based on context, something which is very difficult for an AI to achieve.
I imagine for a machine to simulate that, you will need a super AI that sits on top of the world's data traffic, so it can learn from every and any situation observed.
| >>270403
The last part of your post reminds me of the movie Ex Machina, actually. Guy owns company that's basically Google in all but name, funnels all of it's traffic into machine learning, creates AI. Check it out aometime, it's a bit boring but interesting all the same
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| What do you think about the future?
Next year AMD will reveal it's 7nm architecture process, and after that in 2020 Samsung will reveal it's 4nm process.
Are there any limitations?
We surpassed Moore's law, and we have freakin 1nm transistors too!
What do you think about these things, and the future of AI?
I'd like to see an AI that has feelings (just like Amadeus).
And u guys?