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I like windows. Does that make me the scum of the earth?
| >>250106 No, you have not. You only remind me of something someone of great importance said once: Those who are willing to sacrifice some liberty to buy a bit of security, deserve neither liberty nor security.
I think I thought of this because of that 'I am not doing anything illegal so privacy is of no concern'. It is only your right to decide how little your own privacy is worth in principle.
| I'm willing to sacrifice some liberty to get *convenience*. Do I still not deserve them?
| >>250106 Windows is great for playing games. But I prefer to do my online banking and shopping with a GNU/Linux operating system because security, privacy, etc.
| To be honest I switched to Linux some time ago because of the whole Windows 10 Candy crush bullshit. You do whatever you want OP but I suspect Windows' development isn't going where you might find convenient.
| Windows 7 for life.
| Using windows makes you a sinner and penitent at once. But it's never to late to get salvation by abandon the false proprietary gods. Join the church of GNU and get your freedom back and find forgiveness by those who have to resist the reign of terror of the proprietaries!
| Why not delve into some Linux?
| I also like windows. I miss windows XP. T_T
| I'd be using linux if I didn't play games, but windows is fine i guess. Use whatever you want op
| Worth checking out fix10.isleaked.com periodically. Good to know just how many keyloggers are being added in.
| >>250249 Liberties are immensely valuable items. Sadly an awful lot of people take them for granted today, which is not true as people very quickly will try to take them away from others to increase own comforts, aka convenience. Throughout history countless wars have been fought and blood has been spilled to secure liberties as they exist today. Not one bit of liberty should be given away, it extremely hard to take it back once you loose it.
| follow your heart, g/u/rl
| >>251990
Gurl what are you talking about? Just by living in present-day nation states you're giving up things to receive rights as citizen. This "not one bit of liberty should be taken away" is bullshit. You might as well go and live in the woods.
| I like windows too, but I prefer doors. They make entering and exiting very convenient.
| I'm currently on the path of leaving Windows behind for good. I want to make a dual boot for OSX and Linux/GNU.
| I'm actually really annoyed of some of those people, that praise Linux and tell every random person, how superior it is! If you're a tech freak and care so much about security, then sure use Linux, but some of us are just average people, who wanna use a computer without much thinking about it, because they have different interests or problems to think about! So why does there need to be a debate about which is better? They are both good for a different kind of person
| >>251444
This statement is missing the point. A publisher failing to release their game to a freedom respecting platform is not the platforms fault. Complain about your game devs / publishers, not GNU/Linux.
| It doesn't matter who's fault it is, the result is the same
| >>252135
>If you're a tech freak and care so much about security, then sure use Linux
So regular people don't need security?
>use a computer without much thinking about it
Not only does this ignore the fact that there are very user friendly GNU/Linux distros, it also implies that a person needn't lose a thought about what's done with his personal data.
>They are both good for a different kind of person
Proprietary software like Windows does no good by denying the user their freedom
| >>252193
My point was, that you should let people use, what they personally prefer
Maybe Windows does deny the users freedom, but the user chose that himself by deciding for Windows, right? And maybe that freedom is beyond what the person needs
Nobody is getting forced to either use Linux or Windows, you should just use the one you prefer and be happy
| >>252230
Whenever I recommend a freedom respecting OS to people I make sure to provide good arguments. I don't and can't force anyone to free themselves.
>but the user chose that himself by deciding for Windows, right?
This is not correct. The issue lies within the fact that people never questioned why they use Windows. They grew up with it and never gave it a second thought. That is precisely why I remind people to get back control over their own computing....
| >>252292
(cont.)
The reason I do this is because I believe digital rights and "real-life" rights should be a perfect mirror image. Unfortunately the rights your countries constitution gives you is often waived with proprietary software such as Windows or macOS by accepting their EULA.
| If you're gaming use windows. If anything else use Linux.
| >>252060 You do not know what you are talking about. At least give some examples of 'things' one gives up to be a citizen of a nation state so we can at least what liberties you are talking about. And how you win them back by living in the woods and how you cant have them by being a citizen.
| >>252135 If this thread was started by someone volunteering to be targeted, dont be so much anoied if you are treated as a target.
Noone gives a fuck to force you use anything.
Some of you are just using what came with your machine preinstalled. The lot of you use what you have ever seen and just follow because it is what you have always known because you have been for years exposed to only that. But some of us...
| ... again for years have used and been exposed and familiar with more than one type of system, thus are better than you to make comparisons about features, ease of use, availability, costs, compatibility, ease of programming, security, stability, speed, resources used. And are able to better see where are the most convenient compromises between all these factors. A computer, you see, is used for more things than wordprocessing and showing off effects in powerpoint presentations.
| https://www.gog.com/games?system=lin_mint,lin_ubuntu&sort=release_desc&page=1
>>251444 They might not be the latest and greatest, but they are at least something to start with.
| I play games, so yeah, checkmate.
But, no matter how hard you try to sell linux for it's security and user friendly, you have to remember that stuff like facebook exist.
Millions of people just put their personal data in this website, even some still continue, after the recent news, aired in mainstream media.
And look at mc donald, it's not like people there don't know that they are eating shit food. Just face it, most people willing to trade a lot of stuff for convenience.
| And if they are concerned enough for their data and privacy, they will do their own research on linux. No need for you to go do your "good deeds" and convince people when they don't ask for it.
| I play games too. I dualboot. Now learn to play chess before using words like 'checkmate'.
You must have a reading comprehension dysfunction. So repeating, noone is trying to convince you to do anything.
| >>253296
You are exactly the fedora tipping snob linux user that people meme about.
>Dualboot
Good luck convincing people to do that shit.
>Checkmate
Eh, all you linux endorser in this thread seems to try to break every reason that make people differ from linux. And that "checkmate" is for you not being able to convince me
| Can't argue with my reasons, so you just go with the insult.
Yeah, linux users are so informed and smart. Can't deny that one.
| >>253411 Oh no, I'm so sorry, I didn't even notice that! Something like this can only happen to someone stupid as me
| Beside the freedom issue of proprietary software (and web service-plattforms) there is also the issue of getting monopolys, which is considered to be bad in a "free" market. If you want earn money with software or IT services there is no way arround or no chance against the established proprietary ones: even if you do it much better in whatever aspect.
| >>252866 Yeah, I know, I was mostly joking. I've used Linux before for programming and other fun stuff, but I prefer Windows for the convenience... And more games.
| >>253321 Again for autistic people: noone gives a shit to convince anyone. Especially you.
And yes, since you insist on it, I probably am smarter than you. If only because I use both systems with dualboot, something which for you seems immensely complicated and dreadful. But it is not. Really.
| >>253636
What convencienc (besides more games) does Windows give you? GNU/Linux is much more convenient the way I do my computing.
| >>253815
Gratz on being a living meme, my dude. You are the one that I will think about when people refer to "smart" person on the internet.
| >Call people autistic
*A friend walks in
Hey, gurl. What is dualboot?
>Explain like a proud autist
So, why do you do that?
>R0b0t m0de activate
| >>253834 most tools run on windows or at least the wsl, so for someone who games a lot not needing to reboot to play a game is nice.
| I can't get the mouse to feel similar to my windows setup, other than that I enjoy playing with wine
| >>254100 wsl is actually WINE the other way around, a compatibility layer for linux on windows. It is a good thing to learn and toy with linuxes but not for doing proper work. The most important thing of an os is the kernel and with wsl one really uses the windows kernel. Securitywise it is even better if you use virtualisation, with both kernels managing each their own worlds separately.
| >>254156 very true but for the most part you can run dev tools in the wsl layer without much trouble, and that's enough for most people I think. I'd much prefer to run Linux, and have dual booted it many times, but can't make the switch until running Windows in a VM with only one gpu is viable for games :p
| Never liked Linux since when I want to use a computer, I would only ever play games on it. Sorry, too much to read.
| To answer the question simply, no.
| Play games and process photos; Windows is the only viable option for me.
GIMP sucks btw.
| yes
| Besides Photoshop runs in wine last I checked
| >>256764
If something is "the only viable" thing, it is no option anymore. Have fun in your cage, but pls. don't annoy people who value freedom with "your" proprietary formats/api's. This is the only thing that annoys me about hopeless windows fanatics: their ignorance about that others have to deal with their proprietary shit. Collaboration is only possible with reverse engineered implementations for format/api compatibility, that often just suck (if there even are some at all).
| >>257214
I'd rather not run software through wine. Maybe it wont crash and its stable but I wouldn't trust it.
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| Yes, yes you are
| ITT: 'I don't care about freedom, security and privacy enough to give up some of my games.'
| PCIe pass through (+github/gnif/LookingGlass) / wine
Result: no real downsides
| >>257653 there's really no reason to worry all that much in my opinion. there's like seven billion people in the world. why would someome care about the data of some lowly broke cog in the machine? if you're an actual important person i'd understand though
| >>257698 they don't care about *you* but information on your *money* they want to know the best way to trick into buying their shit instead of someone else's
| Some need to work with photos. Some with sound. Some with videos. Some with databases. Some with programming environments, for all sorts of platforms. Some with process automation. Some with webservers. Some with storage systems. Some with infotainment systems.
It all depends on what the needs are and the best tools for it, where "best" is a combination of many things.
| I use ChromeOS , lynch me guys
| Why no one uses kvm to run windows on a second screen with pic/gpu passthrough?
| Every cpu has a gpu in it these days. Except ryzen1. But whatever
| >>257964 That is an interesting option indeed.
There is a while now since I experimented with virtualisation. I have tried Xen, VirtualBox and Kvm, in that order. Pci passthrough is an attractive possibility I yet need to test though. I have not had need for it and felt lazy to go deeper without incentive.
Xen has had it for a while now. And so does the recent Kvm. Am not sure about VBox, I think it still is experimental, but I may be wrong.
| >>257771 so? All they can do is put ads in. It's not like I will instantly buy stuff just because it is shoved at my face
| It's only human to not understand Linux
| >>259151
No it's not. You just happened to grow up with windows. Windows as an operating system is much harder to understand (as it's proprietary). On GNU/Linux nothing's hidden from you. There are also plenty of beginner friendly distros.
| >>259167 well, Windows seems to keep how to use it relatively straightforward. Click the thing, do this and it's done. The issue is that it keeps a lot of other cards close to its chest. You have to modify system files manually for anything really useful. And lol when you get to proprietary driver support stuff where everything is a black box.
My anxiety about MAH SEEKRITZ got much better when I used Linux as my daily driver. It's not perfect but now I understand, not worry.
| >>259167
I can confirm this. I also grew up with DOS and Windows. Then I met a master of computation, who introduced me into the arts of GNU/Linux, and I felt how much time I wasted with this bad acessible proprietary shit called "Windows". Sometimes I wish I could turn time back and start with GNU/Linux from start. Then I maybe would be a real Master too now...
| >>259182
I meant it on a more technical level. I don't consider knowing how to click on squares knowledge worth mentioning.
| >>259183
That's great. You should check out NixOS. I found it to be mindblowing and revolutionary in terms of package management.
| >>259182
The Issue is, that clicking around is pretty inefficient and most GUIs always lack of functionality compared to the CLI. Don't get me wrong I love using the mouse and a good (=customizeable, modular & accesible) GUI. The thing is, that under windows possibilities are often limited to the gui. I know, there is the "Powershell", but honestly: why mess around with proprietary APIs? The unix concept of everything beeing represented as file and modular is simply better.
| Why should I care about the data I gave in to some random people? How does this affect my life except knowing that some people call me "a proprietary retard" on the internet?
| >>259207
Alright, then surely we can abolish personal privacy laws too since we clearly needn't care according to you, right?
| Using Windows and GNU. Shrug.
| I am fan of Linux systems as well, but it's kinda sad that most games are not developed for it
| Great now this has strayed from software to law.(sarcasm) Good job >>2a97e9
>>259216
I have no problem with people selling their personal information or heck for all I care tatoo yourselves with logos and implant tracking chips.
But Surely it should not be required by law?
In addition people should have the right to know if someone is permanently recording their every move.
You all have the luxury or making a decision about it because you are informed and not by a market employee.
| >>259515
The issue for me is exclusively law related. If Windows was entirely licensed under the GPL or similar, I'd have no issues whatsoever with people using it. People would fork it and strip all telemetry and botnet out of it.
So many other issues in current technology could be solved by simply freeing the software (as in freedom).
| >>259528
What you seem to be describing (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Is companies not having the right to do as they wish with their property (if it is law related) which would be taking away general freedoms and not giving any...
I think I'm missing what you're trying to say
| >>259770
I don't recall specifically saying to banish all proprietary software. I do however believe that proprietary software causes evil to users, as it has been proven countless times. There isn't a day that goes by whitout news about privacy or security violations commited by companies with monopolies. I furthermore belive that we could have the best of both worlds. I ask you: why couldn't a company simply sell their GPL'ed software? ...
| >>259826
... Users would retain freedom (!), privacy and security, while companies would still profit from their hard work! If the users didn't like the software, they could fork it, start their own business. The original company would profit too by having competition.
| >>259207
The Issue here is, that you help establish it as standard for others. I don't want to play with you the "I give as fuck on privacy" limbo at the "free" market. Because companys rather reward customers and employers for giving up their privacy than those who care about it. The big bosses themselves ofc. want pretty much privacy on the other hand... To avoid taxes and to keep all their other dirty tricks secret.
| >>259827
At the same time I fully realize why companies are DRM'ing the shit out of their software and making them proprietary to the max. Their business people are simply tring to monopolize their brand (maximize profits by any means possible). I am for the free market and all. But as I mentioned earlier. It's a fact by now that that behaviour hurts users and suppresses competition, brought to you by proprietary software.
| >>259831
Free market does not work. It's just a lie. Which instance should guarantee the freedom of market? Estates? Don't make me laugh. National estates don't stand chances on their own against global operating cooperations. Also, those who proclaim free markets the most, politically, fight any form of public/common institutions as evil root of communism.
| >>259838
About why windows is capitalists shit and you should use GNU/Linux instead to get sexy cybercommunism.
| >>259850 the gurl that you replied to didn't say anything about "having no game = bad"
Go back to 4chan
| Its better than mac
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| I mean, it's comfy, and I dont need to worry about programs not being supported. I'm not doing anything illegal, so privacy isn't a big worry for me either.
Hopefully I haven't unleashed hell with this post.