KDE Plasma 6.8 last version with X11
| don't care, wayland's good.
| Complaining about wayland is basically the linux equivalent of "the west has fallen".
| KDE HAS fallen, billions must fork
| looks to me that xlibre is a good choice so far. i hope they don't do systemd nonsence like xorg
| >>1098412
x11 does not depend on systemd.
also using xlibre doesn not change the fact that there won't be support for any kind of x11 implementation on plasma.
| >>1098414
>x11 does not depend on systemd
that is correct the x11 PROTOCOL does not depend on anything of the sort
HOWEVER XORG does optionally use systemd‑logind and does so by DEFAULT.
> no x11 on plasma
sucks for plasma users i guess
| Everyday we stray further from POSIX
| >>1098423
i'm pretending to be a smart ass. and playing into the politicising of the issue.
i actually have no idea what xlibre stance is on systemd. but i do know xorg can use systemd i just have no clue how or for how long it's been a thing
| >>1098423
optionally uses by default does not mean it's a dependency. the main point of contention with xorg was the fact that it's getting more and more neglected by everyone in favor of wayland, that's the main reason why xlibre exists (along with the xlibre maintainer's terry davis ass rant about redhat dei driving the descision to axe xorg because he's autistic like that).
also who cares? the last time i used x11 was on a system with an amd caicos gpu from 2011
| >>1098431
as said above the stance is fueled by the "SYSTEMD IS THE ANTICHRIST I HATE THE ANTICHRIST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" autism so it's probably a gentoo type stance, works with systemd but they probably intend for you to be using it without it.
| Systemd timers are pretty cool, I like that they log things into system journal
| >>1098433
I care that x11 remains popular as i've given up on wayland. (after a decade)
(also doubt you used it in 2011 as it was unusable)
>>1098437
I understand the extreme hostililty. when the standard that makes linux perfect, get's widely discarded.
It's reasonable even. the unix philosophy is the only acceptable approach for something so universal
| >>1098464
used it recently, i only brought it up because that's the only system with graphics capabilities so ass i didn't even bother with trying wayland (although it would've probably worked tbh). the last place where i was absolutely forced to use x11 due to hardware limitations was a snapdragon 425 soc.
been using wayland for over 5 years at this point and the biggest issue i've ever faced with it on plasma is that it occasionally spawns windows on the wrong screen.
| also, while systemd has it's flaws (especially regarding the cumbersome codebase and the system's monolithic nature), most people agree that a better practical solution of equal universalitu is yet to materialize. it's not really a debate of which way is "objectively better" but more so an endless excercise in philosophising over what an init system should or shouldn't be.
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| I think it is time to #RapeWayland