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How did misinformation become so widespread?
| Because people treat information like junk food, they just conssume
| Media corps wasting their trust lying for views and money.
The decrease in available time to read articles that take an extra 3 minutes to comb through the ads loading and social mediua allowing for easily spread fake news. Along with that growing unrest with the neoliberal status quo thats been prevelant for 50 years (us, can't speak for euro). Traditional media is untrustworthy since they lie to keep their advertisers happy, which means all corp med has a bias towards corps.
| >>743061 ALLLL of this. I'd add that other countries got into the business of influencing public opinion of other countries (as the CIA already does)
| it's easier to make fake news iwht better tech. Also with the internet also makes these information much more accessibility.
Some higher ups/whoever want power has always been ambitious (malicious?), some part of the population has always been gullible. technology has just made it so much easier to connect the two groups.
| fuck the CIA
| I dno't know if it's really any worse than it ever was, when we look at all the shit done through newspapers and rumors in the past
IMO there was just a short period when online news and social media suddenly brought independent media and lots of evidence (even if people could still lie about what the evidence meant) into the mainstream. But now new monopolies have formed and people and states have learned to manipulate the new media, so we're more or less back to normal
| It can certainly happen faster now though
| Humanity is divided into economical classes that antagonize each other. The informational sector is no exception here. It's all about distracting and dividing people of the lower classes with distorted and false information by destroying their class consciousness.
And it works brilliantly for example in the USA, where lower class people believe that an upperclass business billionheir of the actual system is their leader against a "system" which only exists in madeup propaganda.
| >>743150
You are not immune to propaganda
also your camouflage doesn't work, commie, you're all red underneath
| >>743161
Well my point was more that she was kind of trying to jump onboard the ship and steer it into reddish waters but at least you didn't spit insults at me
| Lets not twist this into a capitalism x communism debate
| >>743158
Luckily today the only countries where commies really need camouflage are fascist dictatorships.
Everywhere else it's the fascists who pretend to be "moderate", "centrists" or sometimes even "socialists". They have to, due to their illogical and unreasonable world views and ideals, that only can exist in a fragile network of lies, which in the end will always need physical brutality to be kept up.
| >>743167
It's hard to isolate the rising issue of misinformation these days from previous and actually occurring issues. Capitalism and class struggle are a thing. Those issues aren't solved by ignoring them only because some people misused criticism for their own goals or simply failed to make it better. That's something that moderate conservatives and liberals (as in economical liberalism) should think about - if they won't end up as villains of history one day.
| >>e57833 you are just spreading propagand and diverting the issue here
Class struggle as discribed by marx is a flawed way to look at history since it makes neccesities a non factor and paints a me vs them mentality
| >>743029 because almost everybody on the planet is now starting to be exposed to more information than is reasonable for most people to filter for accuracy and usefulness, and because the majority of the english internet is learning that yeah, you can really just lie. our progress in info tech and accessibility of it has been faster than the progress in most peoples' ability to use it well.
| more importantly: the idea that the problem of misinformation is widespread is also a standard internet exaggeration. I don't think it's that bad, yet, and I am glad there's a push to do something about it now. generally, I'm optimistic about the subject, even if it's obviously not going super well.
| >>743602
I agree that orthodox marxism is flawed - but that doesn't make it entirely wrong.
Class struggle is an important factor in historical development AND in todays societal issues. Your approach to frame this as "propaganda" is the only thing that smells like propaganda here.
Also your "me vs them" is not just a "mentality" based on trivial or even made up categories. It's a quite realistic and reasonable view on how things currently work.
| In my opinion the huge and increasing amount of misinformation is seen and used as an informational weapon by some people in the upper classes to fight the lower ones. There are many historical examples of how this works - like the usage of nationalism, religious fundamentalism or even racist lies to break workers unity and let them fight each other instead their class enemies. This already happened so many times on so many levels.
| People suck, thats why
| Another aspect:
In capitalism everything and everyone becomes a product. Under this circumstances all information will become just product information or products themselves. And every average intelligent and reasonable being should know about the troubled relation between truth and product information a.k.a. advertising. Also the commercialization of the informational sector through artificial restrictions is seen as a chance to solve the issue of eternal growth.
| >>743804
That's only a lazy excuse for people that suck. Even if there was only one person on earth and in history who didn't suck, your statement would be wrong. I know many awesome people who don't suck. And I don't suck neither.
| Nah people do suck. Haven't met or seen anyone that isn't bad in one way or another.
| >>743818
“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”
| If your initial reaction to "people suck" phrase is assuming that the person is a nihilist or an asshole than it examplifies how people are quick to judge and assume extremes out of simple quotes, its a paranoic assumption that people are meaning the full extent of what they say.
People suck mostly means: people are imperfect and thus society isnt perfect.
| >How did misinformation become so widespread?
because spreading disinformation is fun?
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| The past half decade we,ve had a rise in conspiracy theories, junk information and fake news(a term ironicly twisted to push more fake news).
How did we get here and why is little done to combat this plague of junk food information?