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Freedom & The State

| How can you reconcile believing in freedom but also believing in governments, which are just centralized monopolies of violence aimed at curtailing what you can or cannot do? How do conservatives simultaneously push for "liberty" but also increased police presence and power?


| >>723621 that goes by the assumption that all police officers and politicians are oppressive.

If you want no law, no supervision, no help and no services but also all the freedom you want then anarchy is a good option.

Freedom and authority can exist, and both are bad when by itself, balamce is important.


| Political freedom for a general population is bad, individual freedom is good. Easy.


| >>723621
Absolute individual freedom doesn't exist. It always ends there were it conflicts another persons freedom.


| >>723637
>Political freedom for a general population is bad
What do you mean by that exactly? Sounds authoritarian somehow.


| >>723623
What you describe isn't anarchy but anomie.


| >>723783 exactly


| >How can you reconcile believing in freedom but also believing in governments
Because you can't just get rid of government. If you destroy your own government it will be replaced by a stronger one and so on.
Anarchy does not exist. Even if you look on how countries interact with each other you will see that there's a clear hierarchy. The stronger states manipulate the weaker ones.
In this way, the most rational is having the government, but which is as 'small' as possible.


| >>723934
>but which is as 'small' as possible.
But how it comes then that the strongest and most successfull countries don't have 'small' governments?


| >>723943
Under the word 'small' I meant the one that doesn't interferes too much in economy and personal freedoms. But which is quite strong to protect its borders and to protect citizens' lifes and property within the country. United States used to be such a country. Once. Ofc not today.


| >>723947
Ah, so you want a state that grants you privileges you don't want to share with people who accidentally grew up in other states? Personal (and economical) freedom , but only exclusively for people in your nation is no freedom. At least you're not that brainwashed so that you still make a difference between economical and personal freedom.

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