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Who is Biden?
| just some old pedo
basically he's just there in the election because he's not Trump...
| Imagine not being Trump, acording to Obama, he is the definition of the american dream
| Alzheiman
| Ligma
| He is pro fracking, oil and coal.
He is pro police and regime change
He is pro corporate bailouts and tax cuts.
He is against legalized marijuana.
He is also old has 8 sexual assault accusers and hates young people.
so expect no change.
| No one is voting for Biden because he is Biden, they are voting him because he isnt Trump, most Biden voters dont know much about him.
| Honestly i'm liberalistic.. but i feel that Biden is kind of person what could make #BLM and support Cancel culture.. what is scaring me.. I don't like Trump either but it's probably best for status Quo, i'm imagine Trump as Zaphod Beeblebrox, dumb but not hurtful xd
But this is only feeling what do i feel, maybe i'm wrong xd
| an old pedo squizo-socialist
| >>712022 So basically he's like Trump when pitted against Clinton. If this is how Americans cast their votes then next term Kanye may actually win.
| BIDEN?!
| I'm beginning to wonder why we only elect creepy old people with at best questionable history and at worst a large pile of bodies in the basement.
| Can we just try anarchy for a while? A little experiment. Or make positions in office elected by gladiatorial single combat.
| >>712390 yeah, a whole 6 Twitter posts a day active. Must have finger muscles of steel by this point.
| >>712390 okay, to give credit where it's due, Trump could squeeze Biden's head into a thick mush with those fingceps. Although, similarly, Biden could just suck all the melanin out of Trump's body to make him burn in the sun so...
| >>712400 the dude survived corona so he is healthy, he has stamina since he went to 5 campain rallies in 5 diferent states in 1 day and he is not weak, he has a past in wrestling, say what you want but trump could very much beat biden to a pulp in a fight
| >>712026
>I don't like Trump either but it's probably best for status Quo
But is this status Quo really the best for people?
| >>712411
It's painful to watch how history is repeating over and over again. The similarities to the downfall of ancient greek/attic democracy are so obvious that I wonder how people can actually be that dumb to repeat these failures.
Just read how supporters of Alkibiades mentioned his performance in the Olympics to argue for his stupid Sicilian expedition - which failed and resulted in overthrowing democracy in favour of oligarchy and surrounding autocracies.
| >>712511 "best for people", you dont even know what people want who are you to say that, just shut up, different people have different needs, there isnt even a best for everybody, the only way to make a best for all is capp the people that dont fit in a mold wich is just plain abuse at that point
| Democracy does have problems but thats all I will say since I dont have any better ideas
| joe mama
| And I gotta say this, Biden is the status quo, he has been in politics for years, has done a bunch of questionable decisions and just another old white dude that says whatever people want to hear at the time to get his way, people dont care about him, the midia loves to cover up for him and other politicians of his party keep trying to lick his balls, Biden was the vice president of obama who was just like anyother mediocre press but black
| Trump despite not being good, but also not hitler, is not the status quo, he is a bussiness man, speaks what he wants to say, he speaks what he feels like he needs to say, he doesnt have a past in politics and has had a questionable past with the elite that he considers his enemies now. Trump is not the status quo, and btw just because something isnt the status quo doesnt mean its good just that its different
| >>712567
>speaks what he wants to say
Not really. He only speaks what stupid people want to hear in order to become his little fangirls.
>he doesnt have a past in politics
You're wrong. Since he was born he's much more into politics than most people because >he is a bussiness man
in 2nd generation.
>and has had a questionable past with the elite that he considers his enemies now.
No he portrays them as his enemies. They never threatened each others existence.
| >>712567
>Biden is the status quo
And trump is an even worse version of it. You know what the difference between a hypocrite and a "honest asshole"? The hypocrite knows at least whats wrong and whats right. The asshole gives a shit about it and even declares wrong things as right, just as its suits his power ambitions.
| >Who is Biden?
The 46th president of the United States
https://t.co/g5ahxZ3Zcu
| >>712572 status quo doesnt mean good you idiot, its not about who is good its about who represents the status quo, biden is that person you like it or not
| >>712584
And how does trump not represent the status quo you idiot? Hes the ugly personification of the status quo in the USA.
| >>712638 I explained why he isnt the status quo in politics, if your own explanation is "he represents the status quo" then your explanation is not very well tought out, give more solid examples
| >>712639
A white 2nd gen rich male liar asshole in a powerful position is the status quo in the USA. The exceptions just prove the rule. Trump becoming President was actually not such a big surprise as spread out in some liberal media.
| >>712829 as politican trump was not the status quo, you are saying that he is the status quo cuz he is rich and white but thats only in his base profile, as politician he is way different than the others and is certainly an interesting case, even more interesting than kanye going crazy and pulling out last minute
| He's a corrupt politician who is unironically worse in every aspect everyone claims Trump is horrible, yet people let him slide since he's a Democrat.
Both Democrats and Republicans are very corrupt. The problem is that Democrats tend to be given a pass by media and general public as being 'morally superior' - in which they wear that badge while getting away with a lot of terrible shit.
I was neutral on this election. But Trump > Biden. Also Harris sucks ass.
| >>713017 true, the cover-ups fpr the dems this election were just gross, lets hope they treat Biden the same way as trump, this should be fair
| >>712837
Trump was the personification of the establishment in the USA: A misogynist, nationalist, born rich, anti-communist, old white man who is mentally/ideologically stuck in a mixture of the civil war Confederation and cold war McCarthyism.
All the propaganda about a powerful hegemonial conspiracy of evil communists, feminists, socialists, journalists, muslims, immigrants, and some capitalists with a more liberal attitude and china, is nothing but warmed up nazi shit.
| >>713017
>I was neutral on this election. But...
Yeah these kind of stupid "rhetorics" increased in the last years. Other well known variations:
>I'm no nazi. But...
>I'm no racist. But...
| >>713017
>The problem is that Democrats tend to be given a pass by media and general public as being 'morally superior'
They are morally superior in what they say compared to republicans. The problem is that in practice they often aren't. The republicans are both in theory AND in practice morally inferior. How could this be an alternative? A hypocrite is still better than an "honest" asshole who doesn't give a fuck about morale or even redefines the morally bad as morally good.
| >>713034 crappy comparison and shows that as you balive that only you can be right and that anyone who disagrees must be evil, you are not neutral so shut up
| Btw. republicans are also very hypocritical on their own way. Or how do their christ fundamentalist currents fit into their policy? If someone like Jesus would appear, they would see him as an evil liberal/communist/democrat hippie revolutionary. They support trump who personally is so ridiculously far away from christian morality. There is even an extra term for their kind of hypocrisy: bigotry.
| >>713035 you are stupid and naive if you think that, morals are do not define who is better if both have bad actions. The superior thing to do is to vote for the best candidates of each side and let them do their free for all battle to improve the country a dem monopoly is as bad a rep monopoly. So get your bias and proud out and think logicaly. The ideals of a party dont always represent the ideas of the individual and here is good people in both parties.
| >>713039 yes because educating white people of their "privilege" by force and trying increase racial awareness is tottaly not hipocritical. Dr.King is twisting in his grave by the dems bigotry.
Fight racism by making people think ther ear emore differwnces between races yay! Preach how white people are superior in society and use that as an excuse to trwat then differently like hitler did with other races but reversed.
| >>713042
>like hitler did with other races but reversed
Urgh, godwins law...
So with your comparison you basically say democrats do (or plan to) systematically mass deport privileged white to death camps? My delusion-meter just exploded!
>Preach how white people are superior
You obviously don't understand that the idea of "naturally superiority" is an entirely different concept then being privileged for historical-social-economical reasons.
| >>713054
Racism doesn't exist or doesn't play a role anymore. It's an invention/exaggeration by [insert a combination of your choice from the items below] conspiracy, in order to oppress white people.
chinese;communists;globalists;liberals;(certain-)capitalists (e.g. bill gates or george soros);feminists;muslims;jews;non-white-people;democrats (e.g. the clintons);leftists;socialists;aliens;hollow-earth-reptiloids;illuminati;freemasons;immigrants;satanists
| >>713054 certainly not this, thats for sure, a lesser version of nazi ideology isnt the solution for it, and no solution is better than a fake solition because it makes people more motivated to actually find a good one
| >>713064 so just because its not as bad as nazi germany it means that its good? No way, it follows the same principle that one group is privileged so they should be re-educated so its is simillar to nazi ideology.
And yes they do preach how if you are born white it you will have a bunch of privileges, saying that only serves to make people feel more vitimized and inferior, it wont help anything it will just make black people more hopeless.
| A Republican and a Democrat walk into a thread.
The tard wrangler missed a couple.
| This mentity of one side good and one side bad is so stupid that it hurts, hurts people, law, economy, health, politics, enterteinment, culture, free speech and even human rights.
It allows one side to commit atrocities in the name of good and negates all the good things another side has to offer, and this applies vice versa.
Gwt the best of both sides and think for yourself, life isnt black and white.
| >>713086
>just because its not as bad as nazi germany it means that its good?
No it's good because there's a totally different concept behind it, which is way more reasonable and realistic than the supremacism of an entirely made up/pseudo-scientific group (=race).
| >>713101
This "both sides are good and evil" and "life isnt black and white" stuff can be (and regularly is) easily exploited to relativize/trivialize important critique on actual existing issues.
| >>713303 yes it is, people use it to relativze and trivialize on the issues of dems while using it to blow and exagerate issues on reps and vice versa, there is crap and hipocrisy on both sides.
| >>713300 there is literally no excuse to treat a race differently, it is not good no matter how you look at it, unless you look at it with the pseudo intellectual version of critical race theory and white privilege lenses
| >>713312
>there is literally no excuse to treat a race differently
1. Human "races" don't really exist in nature. They're nothing but a non-/pseudo-scientifical concept.
2. It's exclusively a subset of right-winged ideologies that refuse the above mentioned scientific facts and still divides and measures people into those racial groups.
| 3. The goal of anti-racism (which isn't inherently but usually a leftist thing) is not giving certain "races" privileges. It's about compensating the real-live impact of racism (see 1. & 2. in >>713320 ).
| >>713308
>there is crap and hipocrisy on both sides.
Basically yes, but there is a qualitative and quantitative difference. Republicans stand and defend for way more ideas and concepts which I find rotten from the core then democrats. In most cases democrats are "only" hypocrites because they do different then they say. But republicans often already only say a lot of stuff that I can't even theoretically agree on, because it's based on an entirely different worldview/perception.
| >>713320 a group of a species that has different phisical traits adapted for different enviorments, but is able to reproduce normaly.
Humans have races, dont be ignorant, we had 10.000 yrs of constant migration and entered contact with many different biomes, bigger bpdies to resist cold, darker skin to protect from the sun and closed eyelids to protect from winds, this is clearly evolution working
| >>713321 there is no need to compensate if everybody moves on and decides to focus on the present and the betterment of humans as a species. There is no need to treat races differently especially in the globalized era we live in, also mixed race people exist, how do you treat them? Are they entitled to their privileged or unprivileged side? Its best to just focus on ending poverty and not try to make a class issue into a racial one
| >>713332
>there is no need to compensate if everybody moves on and decides to focus on the present
Theoretically this is right. But practically this is isn't reality in present, because racist thinking is a control mechanism (divide and conquer) and as such deeply culturally rooted.
| >>713324 just because you disagree more with one side doesnt mean that side is more evil of even worse or better than the other, you are clearly biased and refuses to see beyond your own views. All you spouted were some pseudo intellectualism based of actually researched topics
| >>713335 culturally rooted when, there is no law that favors a certain race, its illegal to look down uppon another race, all we have to do is make the justice system do its job, and if the justice system is not doing it well enought than this is a judicial problem not a racial one, its paranoia to think the system favors certain races, racism is an isolated issue with specific individuals commiting hate crimes, no political side wants to make it systemic, thats just propaganda
| >>713331
The problem with the "race" term applied on humans is it's close relation to racist ideologies.
The phenotypical phenomenons you described are way better covered with the term "ethnicity", which also contains more relevant properties then only the phenotype of people and offers a much higher resolution.
This is why there is absolutely no reason to insist that much on the term "race" - except beeing a racist.
| Europe for whites tbh
| >>713339 oh because this scientific therm is used in a bad conotation we should use a different word to describe it and when the racist start using that therm too we will create another one. Kill me dude
| >>713338
>all we have to do is make the justice system do its job
Yes. Here I basically agree 100% with you.
>and if the justice system is not doing it well enought than this is a judicial problem
Well, the problem I see here is, that the justice system doesn't do it well enough because there is racism.
| >>713347
there is literally nothing wrong with that statement unless you're an advocate for genocide
| >>713338
>its paranoia to think the system favors certain races
Depends on what you see as "the system"
>racism is an isolated issue with specific individuals commiting hate crimes no political side wants to make it systemic
Yeah, except racists who exist and have a real impact on politics and "the system(s)"
| >>713348 there is no way to solve racism just as there is no way to solve crimes, society isnt perfect, and bad people with bad intentions will always exist, we can try to lower the crime rates bit they will never be 0%
| >>713355
Yeah, but but does your assumption on society, (bad) people and crimes mean we don't need the police (or anyone) to fight crime?
| >>713351 so you do understand thats there is good and bad people in all places, well this just goes back to my previous statements, need to judge and select people based on their actions, motivations and goals not ideologies, misquotes and projections. People are lossing their critical sense and choosing to just belive on the things they see instead of analysing and thinking, this is why so many people are dived and clouded by propaganda
| >>713357 hell no, police, detectives, judges and other jobs exist so we can investigate, secure and contain criminals with fair judgements, the curruption of the system just means we need to look the possible exploits and correct them while also investigating the corrupt individuals
| there's already a lot of assumptions about 'racism', like somehow all people that are racist are stupid crimethinkers that must be 'rectified', and that racism is bad no matter what, and that it is wrong and anti racism is right
and also that 'racism' is always about feeling morally and physically superior to others and putting them down and hating them.
a lot of people don't think past 'raycus badd' and that's just plain dumb.
| >>713358 and continuing at that, we have 2 options, either make sure all info if 100% perfectly fact checked, inspected, unbiased and revised, wich is utopic, improbable and very easy to exploit, or we can increase peoples awareness, expose lies(not liars), give better education and overall be more skeptical, wich is way more effective, less exploitable and more realistic to apply in a highly populated society
| bing bong
| >>713360 that is indeed true, most peopel who preach racism bad usually dont know much or lack experience with dealing with racism wich causes them to make a bunch of assumptions and act on impulse, no wonders most anti racists are white, its so ironic to think their own races is systemicaly superior but at the same think that they should re educate themselves and treat pther races with compensation for being unprivileged. Thats some advanced powerplay
| >>713360
Those aren't assumptions. Racism IS generally a bad thing and holding/defending racist views is unsocial and stupid because it divides people with no reason (except legitimize oppression) and because it's ignorant to actual scientific facts.
Ofc. we can discuss whether which measurements against racism serve the cause more or less efficient (or even contradict it?) but questioning anti-racism in general only makes sense if there was no racism at all or if you are a racist.
| >>713366
anti white racists are usually snobby baizuos who want to feel self-rightuous to give their sad lives some semblant of a meaning. the people that say the white race is superior say so because of historic reasons. incidentally i don't think it's a matter of who's superior to who but rather of preservation.
be predictable in your reply pls
| >>713369
you know just using science is what a retarded materialist would do, for example things such as kindness, compassion, justice are totally useless in scientific terms, like you could just do it like the CCP and harvest every prisoners right kidney and it would be a net gain in terms of everyone getting at least a kidney. is it moral though?
| and it doesn't divide anyone per se because people are already divided in ethnicities. if it takes being racist to recognize truth them well i spose i am then
| >>713366
Racism within non-white populations is known as "secondary racism". It's true that it is pretty inconvenient issue to educated liberal white anti-racists. But imputing them some kind of "white supremacism" for their anti-racism is ridiculous. Different to racial inferority in racist theories "secondary racism" is a flaw that can be surpassed without becoming white.
| >>713376
and it's the truth of the world.
people want to live among their own.
actually even as far back as Nicaragua there was a story about village elders in fuckall nowhere jungle land that in modern times kicked out jews. ignorance? idk.
then there was the rwandan massacres.
i'm telling you whether you like it or not, the division is clearly there...
i'm not saying it makes unity impossible, just that we should recognize the differences and make the best out of it
| we can have a world in which ethnicities cooperate in building up humanity, i don't want anyone to get genocided, even legally, and races are beautiful if you think about it, it's like different flavours of humans. i like white flavour, what's yours?
| >>713369 there is a difference between not being racist and being anti racist, not being racist is normal, being anti racist means that you as person is activelly fighting against racist and is contantly looking for racists to expose and thats a more chill form of vigilantism, the people with those peole is that they are either too clouded or too ignorant to judge a racist and can do from ineffective to illegal things
| >>713372
>retarded materialist
Oh, the enlightened spiritualist calls me retarded based on his enlightenment - which ofc. is only available to those who he wants to...
>kindness, compassion, justice are totally useless in scientific terms
No they aren't. Those things are beeing academically researched in social sciences and law.
| >>713380 I honeslty dont care about it, people are people and I have a certain desdain for people for reasons that are very personal, and go on the basis of: why cant we just treat eachother with respect?
| >>713372 >>713373 uh idk where to start, but thats a very cold and inhumane way to see things, feelings are what make us tske actions, despite being the chaotic factor, it is what allows us to be what we are, negating those will only create more needless actions that dont suit the human way of doing things, and a society that doesnt fit its inhabtants needs is a bad society
| >>713383
you sound like you only believe that the things that are real are the ones you want to believe in
>>713385
well we can, and that's my idea of the world too
>>713386
so we agree.
| >>713379 no most people just dont care to live with just their own, and yeah it would be better to just let people who want to live with their own life in their separate place
| >>713388
i kinda think so too, except i think people naturally enjoy the company of people that are of their own ethnicity better, if for example you look at prison (shaky example i know) usually things like the TV room are segregated by race. and you hear prisoners talk about it and it's just zero hatred or resentment in their voice, that's just how things go in there. i know the example is strange but it's my opinion, also in prison you get much closer to your primal condition...
| >>713390 this cause more because of tribalism and gang behaviour wich is fomented by the devisive and agressive curscuntances, criminals dont like fellow crimininals and they are scared of eachother because they d9nt know what other can do, so they just tend to gather up with those they feel safer around, in an enviorment where anyone could start fights with anyone they will obviously look for those who have things in common, such as crime history, social status and race
| >>713387
From time to time everybody has to believe in something because no one knows everything. I just decline beliefs in supernatural powers and I even more decline to accept them as arguments in a discussion.
| hold on WHAT THE FUCK not this shit again.
we were talking about BIDEN
what the hell is wrong with you /new/ts?
| Most people cant bare with the fact that despite most things having a real answer they wont live long enoight to see the that answer, so they create gods or put other seemingly more capable people or groups on a pedestal
| >>713402
Only seeking for comfort and avoiding everything that seems uncomfortable to you will make a more limited person than anyone who don't believe in supernatural stuff.
| >>713407 its not possible, its facts, religions were made to explain the world, saciate curiosity and make complicated rules seem more reasonable, people putting other that they see as superior on a pedestal is a reaction that basically means that they wont think and will assume that whatever this person does must have a well tought out reason that is tottaly made of good will but we just dont know or cant understand
| >>713408 too bad, there is merit>>713406 this makes you submissive, lazy, and makes you less prone to think, question, or even see beyond what makes you confortable
| >>713409
"its not possible, its facts" that sounds like a very stuck-up way to view the world
>>713410
see the reason i think you're dumb is that you're projecting so hard as soon as someone voices a different opinion. the idea that i'll always "seek comfort" and "always avoid anything uncomfortable" is something you just randomly pulled out of your ass after you dreamed up some projection fantasy about the "me" you see in your minds eye, yuck
| >>713412 its about the origins of relegions and how it ibfluences people, this is a topic that has extensive research aviable, all these studies reached this same conclusions, so unless you give me a reason to say those are not facts theb I can very much say those are facts, heck if you disagree at least give your own thesis on the matter, saying: "its not factual because stating a fact is narrow minded" not a very arguement
| >>713412 okay now you are just being rude, I dint project anything I just said explained why>>713406 is right, if you disagree give your reason for it, dont just complain when people explain why you could be wrong, we ca tread your mind we dont know your opinions when you say "I disagree"
| >>713431 missing the point, I could dedicate my whole life into archeology, history, and spend my whole life to reach the same conclusion as another researchers did, but that would take away all my time and personal dreams, therefore its more worth to look at researches, and study a bit to get the main point and understand things, then you compare multiple articles and researches, all the info that doesnt contradict is in an implied sense factual
| What doesnt match either requieres more research or is a lie, to demermine that then you might need to apply common sense and logic to disern what is lie and what it just undiscovered, time is also important since the next day there could be more info in a topic. So dont assume I just look at one headline on twitter and take it as a fact, I take multiple sources, I like to learn and I analyse what I see
| >>713433
man, look, i'm over this. threads like these just cause me pain. i'll be somewhere but not here. oo~
| >>713444 no, I just really like to learn and research, and since most things are political nowadays I ended up getting into a lot of "political topics"
| >>713446
I think every topic can be either politicized or depoliticized. For example regarding the initial topic in this threat we could also discuss about Bidens fashion taste. It's what the yellow-press and boulevard "news" live from.
| However, back to >>713382
While I agree that there's a difference between not being racist and being anti racist, I wouldn't say that not beeing a racist is as normal as you think it is.
I also don't agree on your "anti-racism is vigilantism" statement. Also in my experience anti-racist aren't ignorant and clouded at all.
You seem to have some reasonable views, but I don't get it why you try so hard to talk down the issue of racism.
| >>713452 Im not talking down, you are talking it up, race crimes jave decreased so much, the hate organizations are pratically inexistent and the real cases of racism that isnt a politician being an asshole are so spread out and unrelated that saying there still is a systemic racism is just absurd. But then comes Antifa and B.L.M. blowing every issue out of proportion, saying all cops are bad, that white people are privilged and ignoring that most wealth belongs to asians
| Creating more segregation, more fear and wanting to change laws are rules for the sake of conpensations in a rushed manner that just screws up the economy and makes an even biggen wealth gap between races, want the governament to rush solutions to solve racism and dont want to actually think of good ways to reduce the crime and poverty rates, and when the governament doesnt want to hear them they call them nazi facist dictators and start thrashing their cities with
| Peacefull protests that have riots, arson, violence, vandalism and when people questions who is causing the violence they say that mysterious far right groups are infiltrating the protests and of course the midia eats it all up, this anger gets clicks, and when you actually look for any far right groups all you see are people complaining that these protestes are too violent and that the state should do something about it
| So now the state are on a hunt for a non existen far right grifter group because if they arrest protestors they are the nazis and if they dont do anything they are the enablers, so now there is an even bigger divide because of course this got political, and you cant eveb talk about racism without unvilving communism or nazism, and while all of that happens, the poor just have to suffer and endure it all while they iggnore their issues for the secret nazis and white privilege
| Decreasing poverty is key in reducing modern racism
| Oh and sorry for the ammount of posts but there was no way I could explain all that quickly and I even witheld a lot of other info to make it shorter, I am really sorry
| >>713461
What is a "race crime"?
And "the hate organizations" haven't really become weak. In fact racist ideologies that have been believed to be buried once and for all have returned into the political mainstream disguised as "anti-establishment" (not only in the USA). I mean the US president himself used racist tropes in his speech to "communicate" (rather propagate) his anti-immigration policy.
| >>713461
>and the real cases of racism that isnt a politician being an asshole
Trump isn't just an asshole. He uses racist tropes on purpose because he knows that many dissatisfied and low educated people like to hear this kind of stuff and reward it with votes. It's the same racist stuff that is spread by very powerful and highly influential right-winged media networks created and maintained by people like steve banon, rupert murdoch and robert mercer.
| They all were launched in reaction to the (unexpected) financial crisis in the 2007-2008, which caused a (also unexpected) popularity on capitalism criticism. It already started working during the so called "european debt crisis" 2008/2009 (which in fact was a currency and financial crisis). The focus shifted from capitalism criticism to racist tropes which explained the crisis by the weak character of greeks/southern europeans.
| >>713524 they were never really burried to begin with and they shouldnt, people need to know them and see what they caused, burring the evil history also burries the the reason something is considered evil, and what news are you seein racist ideology disguised, the midia has been all about being progressive, not only that but they even rag on any non progressive actions the elite takes
| The last big push for the so called "new" or "alt" (alternative) right was the so called "refugee crisis" - which itself was part of a failed interventionist policy by right-winged western politics (afghanistan, iraq war, regime change in lybia)
But not only western countries, also eastern countries like india, turkey and parts of east-europe shitfed much more to the right. Trump becoming US president (and bolsonaro in brazil) was the last big steps in this continuous right-shift.
| >>713525 Trumps base is not young people, its mostly onder people or the working class, who doesnt want to be bothered with the ghrowth of the "left" and want a better economy, get you search right, most of Bidens voters are the younger and less politically active people since they just voted to take down trump
| >>713528
burring evil history and playing down or even gloryfing it are entirely different things.
| >>713529 but the dems also pushed the invasions in the west, or you forgot Obamas bombings and spying? Oh and Biden was his vice and was watching everything closely so you cant call it a work from the "far right"
| >>713531 then come on give examples of far right groups acting this year, with them playing down these issues and re educating the young to be hateful
| >>713532
being left from (far-)rightwingers doesn't turn someone into an ultimate black-gay-communist-peacemaker-revolutionary. I would say Obama and Biden represent the moderate right-centre within the democrats party.
| >>713533
Right groups changed their modus operandi and adopted strategys from the anarchic far left. They have become more heterogenous/autonomous. The most recent example from this year was the plotted kidnapping the govenor of michigan. While I'm more familiar with the matter concerning europe, i suggest you this evil mainstream media article (including its references) for the usa:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-groups.html
| >>713534 their whole campain was pandering to the left with vague promises and trying to oppose anything the other side says, and how is biden Center right? If thats center right nowadays then no wonder people belive so many propaganda
| However I have to sleep now, but I'll promise to return...
| >>713539
It's centre right within the democrat party. Putting reps and dems together it would be just centre. Please note that this is just an average classification and that there are individually some more left-leaning and some more right-leaning points in their agenda in the detail. As you said yourself: It's not all "black and white".
| >>713538 arent you seeing how all the bad things the left leaning groups have been doing are being shifted to a mysterious, and elusive right leaning group? Thats literally propaganda, they take all their shit and put in on the back of some secret spy, you know, like the russian spies, the chinese spies and etc, and they dont solve anything, they just say it was a right wing group and that they are investigating but no results show and it becomes burried by denext right wing move
| >>713541 uh cant you see this is just a cover up excuse to why they are not actually following on their promisses?
| If you look at all these articles with some critical thinking and also see the reaction of both sides you will see that it doesnt make sense, that there is a bunch of contradictions, and also an overreliance on some misterious group acting on the shadows, wich is literally conspiracy theory, and the worst part is that it is all being projected onto a side of the political spectrum wich is creating a huge devide in the US and is making it easy for the midia t manipulate the masses
| >>713542
No I see it in the opposite and I can proof it. False-flag operations (and placing argents provocateurs) are a trademark of right-winged poltics. Just read a little bit about union-busting during early industrialism in the USA and about certain CIA operations during cold war (my favorite are the operations of the NATO stay-behind organization "GLADIO" in italy) and you'll see what I mean.
| >>713544
That 99% of all conspiracy theories are bullshit crap doesn't mean that there are non. The problem is that things usually come out afterwards, when no one gives a shit about it anymore and people rather want to hear current stuff, even if its highly speculative up to absurd.
| >>713546 thats conspiracy theory propaganda, you cant atribute a whole conspirational tatic to a side of the political spectrum, not only that but most released CIA info is extreemelly manipulated and doesnt show the full picture, and saying that the union busting was moved by right wing ideologs is just wrong, they did because they wanted power not because they had some ideal society, and dont even try to say that getting power is a right wing thing, all groups want power
| >>713547 so conspiracy theories are only not bullshit when they fit your agenda? Not only that but explain how the heck does that work, how can you prove a a c0nspiracy theory is real or not? It has theory in the name, never take it as real of factual, you gotta see how those things holp up against common sense, current events and logic(science too)
| >>713548
>they did because they wanted power not because they had some ideal society,
Yeah, I'm sure that's the most important driver behind most things that politically occur. Including people spreading racist theories or religious stuff.
>and dont even try to say that getting power is a right wing thing, all groups want power
It's a right-wing thing to concentrate total power in the hand of a specific elitarian group.
| >>713550 all right, if you cant see how biased, narrow minded and willfuly ignorant that type of thinking is then I suppose its not worth to talk with you
| >>713549
Well you spreaded conspiracy theories yourself, about ominous groups called Antifa and B.L.M. that blow every issue out of proportion, say all cops are bad, that white people are privilged
>>713461
However I have to say gn8 now, I don't want to sleep less then 4 hours :-(
| >>713550 dont you know? Creating a political devide makes it much easier to manipulate news since there is 2 main belives you can put 2 contradicting articles and still say both are real because the people say so.
Actually thats called facism, wich is the belif that all power must be centered around the state wich is a socialist left leaning idology, dont mistake it by nazism wich is an extreme right wing ideology that was used as a way to implement facism on germany
| >>713552 those aren c9nspiracy theories, have you seen videos of the peaceful protests? Like live footage and even footage taken from people who were nearby or in said protests
| >>713554
Yeah, but no. Fascism is not left-leaning. Because this poweruful state is meant to be ruled by a selected elite. In left ideologies the state is meant to be ruled by the people.
| >>713555 there were hashtags about all cops being bad, there are a bunch of videos of people promoting the ideas of white privilege and systemic racism
| >>713556 oh god no! Facism is based of socialism and it was "invented" in Italy as a left leaning socialism movement, dont try to project all that into the right unless you are saying that socialism is now right leaning
| >>713558
The thing is that white privilege and systemic racism are phenomenons that exist. Just an daily-live example: I came with a new colleague of mine from a job by car and we were in the traffic jem. He is black and wears dreadlocks and like me smokes cigarettes (yes just regular tobacco). Guess which was the only car pulled out by the police for a "random" inspection? I'm sure if he wasn't there the police wouldn't have pulled me out.
| >>713560
>Facism is based of socialism and it was "invented" in Italy as a left leaning socialism movement
Yeah, that's why fascists in italy hunted down and murdered communists and socialists.
| >>713563 they hubted down any group that they felt were dangerouns just like the USSR, this isnt a right wing signature move its a dictatorship/totalitarians signature move, and most dictator ships market themselves as a socialist moventent, look at china, north korea and Italy, germany was a huge exception
| >>713560
I mean it seriously: study more on your history and politic knowledge.
Fascism was never isn't and will never be a left ideology. And don't even start with "nazism is socialist because it means national socialism", because the "democratic republic of korea", commonly known as northkorea is a also constitutional democracy because it's officially called so...
| >>713562 if they pulled out every car then they would jam the trafic even more, they probably pulled your friend because he fits a very specific steriotype, while yes basing action on a steriotype is not really that effective, they exist for a reason not only that but if he was smoking while driving they would pull just to check, also there was no instance of violence nor agression, cops pulling people shouldnt be a big deal unless it leads to an immideate arrest with no questions
| >most dictator ships market themselves as a socialist moventent
That's factual wrong. Socialist systems were all totalitarian so far, yes. But not all totalitarian systems or even dictatorships claim to be socialist. In the opposite. Most autocratic systems so far have been feudalistic, theocratic, monarchistic and/or fascist/nazist and all together deeply anti-socialist/communist.
| >>713566 yes because he wanted to implement facism, since that was a good way to get complete power, an this doesnt prove how facism is right leaning it actually desproves it even more, and only shows how hitler was an exception, a right wing ideology using a left leaning governament style to get absolute power was unheard of before and it is still the only big case in history
| >>713568
not to forget the capitalist autocracies that some hardcore-capitalism fans resist to aknowledge.
| >>713568 monarchies and feudalism are just conservative but dont fall on either the left or right, theocrcies were left leaning in their time, nazism is right leaning, facism is left leaning just like socialism and communism, most modern dictatorships are based of socialism, thats a basic google search
| >>713570
Fascism is a far right ideology. It is deeply anti-communist, anti-socialist and not only historically but also ideologically tightly connected to nationalism, anti-semitism and racism.
>a right wing ideology using a left leaning governament style
Which is not what nazism was.
>to get absolute power was unheard of
there were right wing ideologies disguised as left wing ideologies using right-wing government style, most prominent Stalinism and Maoism.
| >>713571 only stupid people refuse to belive that there are people abusing money to take over and manipulate areas, heck wasnt google buying a whole area to build basically their own city?
| >>713573
>monarchies and feudalism are just conservative but dont fall on either the left or right, theocrcies were left leaning in their time
Hell you got it ALL WRONG. Do you even know where the terms left and right originate?
| >>713574 anti semism was only in nazi ideology, it only got to facist italy because mussolini was getting cuddly with adolf since they were part of an alience, dont mix nazism and facism they have diefferences
| >>713576 yes and they only researched because of the conservatives that wanted to stay in monarchy and sited on the left of the council, at the time left an right were based on that, where people sat on chair, since feudalism was what gave birth to these therms you cant really aply the mordern meanin of left and right to the factor that started the left right therms
| >most modern dictatorships are based of socialism, thats a basic google search
So suddenly you distinguish between "modern" and other dictatorships? Google Google said no.
| >>713580 its because Im going for the your logic that feudalism is a type of dictatorship, wich on papaer isnt really wrong, but feudalism is super old and cant really be applyed in modern therms
| >>713581
feudalism was the dictatorship of monarchs, nobles and clerics over unfree peasants. It was ended by the rise of the bourgeoisie that came up thanks to colonization, global trade and finally industrialization.
| the feudal dictators derived their power from the ownership of land, on which the unfree peasants had to work for them.
| only 3h sleep left, i have to go.
Please (re)learn the basics of history and politics. There are so many falsities you believe in.
| >>713588
ok, sorry in this case I misunderstood you. concerning the "fascism is leftist" thing my last post is still valid
| On a unrelated note I find it so funny that they say capitalism is being used to rule over people when it was literally what ended feudalism, and most MODERN dictatorships want to giev people the least ammount of capitalist ideas as possible, well jokes aside back to main topic
| >>713589 ah yes me who spent most of my time correcting your statements was the one full of misconceptions, classic denial tatic, good night
| >>713593
Tell us again how facism isn't right-wing but 100% a socialist construct. I'd love to hear all your historical sources.
| >>713603 thats is the main difference between nazism and facism, but its seems that schools arent working anymore
| I find it so surreal that all bad things that happened in history are suddenly being tossed around as right wing ideals, morals and ways of doint things, this is just scary, why is there such major shift of how history is being told? Heck and even how the politics of history are being told, and the scary thibg is that people dont belive when you tell them that something isnt right wing even if you explain the corrilation, this is wrong, humans really are easy to manipulate
| The reason that the country is dieing right now is because of late-stage capitalism. Since robots are doing everthing now, there is no longer a need for public capitalism. Let's try communism with a barter system.
Before you start stabbing people and screaming 'COMMIE BAD', please watch thus video: https://youtu.be/MjwL1mSrPLA
| >>713918 there is better options besides communism, especialy because there will be a great demand for jobs that require bigger brain power, what we could do is give basic things for everybpdy and then if people wanted more they could work on programming, and hey jobs like sports, creating enterteinment and making new products will always be there.
Its like a mix of communism for the lazy or uncreative but with optional capitalism for those who have great ideas and aspirations
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As European who know Trump, but don't know Biden want let know who is Biden, and what is making him different from Trump.. I would be honestly curious if some American could tell me what he support, or not, and so ^^