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I want to know how do you think of China.
| Chinese culture is one of the most interesting cultures in the world but the Chinese government is pure asshoe.
I feel for the Chinese people since they seem like such a great people but CCCP is really stepping up the propaganda and human rights violations. I think about it a lot even though I'm from northern EU. I also think about the Tiamanen Square Massacre at least once a month.
| No harp on the citizens, but I can't stand their government. Making terrible excuses, and whatnot. They don't want to look unstable, they want to look like they're better than everyone else--but it's not working in their favor. And it seems like they don't want to admit that they're wrong, and always want to be right.
| I dunno
Hong Kong is a fucking cyb dream, I'd move here
| >>645174 >>645222 Thanks for reply. In fact Chinese Government is trying to cloud the goverment,party and nation. Actually, it makes me feel like in NAZI.
| China is ironically the safest place for capitalists.
No guarantee of human rights, no independent labor union, therefore no workers movement.
Everything is smooth as long as you are willing to collaborate with the party.
| China seems like the one country that the USA will end up in a war with.
| >>645332
Chinas economy would collapse if they went to war. They're far too dependent on exports to the western world.
| I am from Taiwan,I think we can make friends with people from China,but the government really just shit
我們可以和中國做朋友，但不能和中共做朋友
| >>645330 yes i do feel so too. I was living in EU for a few months, it's shocked me that it's dangerous to go outside in night, it's much worse than i imaged. And China is pretty safe for living, it's like we made a deal with Government,give them rights for safety.
>>645379 Finally, a TW friend. In my imagination, the people living in TW are facing a pretty huge pressure in politic, isn't it? There are two answer but I really don't know how will the "problem" ends.
| >>645333 >>645332 No, I don't think there will be a hot war in future. The economy combine the world together, a hot war isn't a good choice for the whole world, whatever USA China even EU, And (in my opinion) that's the only reason that why the government didn't do sth more aggressive to Taiwan government. And CCP doesn't like Soviet Union, they only push the people in side, but not outside(expect Taiwan).
| how was it when you first learned about tiananmen square massacre
| >>645564 when i was 17, from my mother, she was one of the student there, she went home before that happened. They talking about that time with "student movement" instead of tiananmen square massacre.
| I think Donald Trump was created in a chinese laboratory in order to damage the USA.
| >>645330
It's quite unironically, since the PRC is in fact estate monopolistic capitalism with some communist/socialist folklore leftovers. The economical success in comparision to the soviet union, cuba, jugoslavia or the dprk is not because china made it better. It's because they have more manpower and topological benefits. That's all. If the ussr had won lat. america and (north-)africa they probably would have beaten the west. This was the reason for western intervention policy.
| >>645661 You are right, it seems like between communist and capitalism. They keep the politic authority of communist and market economy of state capitalism. And They noticed that estate and demographic dividend has took an important place of economy, so they used the authorities to develop tertiary industry. I have to say, it's an efficient political system, India is a perfect control group. Instead, actually there is nothing to control their authority.
| I have to say, I don't like Xi. After he became the chairman, we have to pay more attention to what we said than yesterday. Even now, talking politic with foreigner may bring me big problems, it do makes me anxious. Thanks of this BBS is still not famous in China, it gives me a chance to exchange my opinion with the people from other countries.
| I don't why my ID changed, I am the guy who from China and created this thread.
| im chinese so....Hi there
| >>645174 That's not a good sign，bro
u think about the Tiamanen Square Massacre at least once a month？？
Don't you feel tired？
| >>645797 绝对不能把dangeru告诉其他人~绝对（QAQ）
>>646170 Maybe...in fact, it didn't affect me much when CCP changed they chairman.But I still hope one doesn't always sit in the same place for a long time
| >>646209
No, it's normal. Everyone has something that's always on their mind. Government overreach and human rights violations is mine and what happened on Tiamanen Square in 1989 is worth remembering and understanding.
| >>646244
The problem about the Tiamanen Square Massacre is that the self proclaimed "free world" in the west doesn't care that much because china played an important pro-western role in the communist schism against the ussr at this time. The PCRs government also started liberating the market a bit back then, which made china the "workbench of the world" that made capitalism look even more superior during the post-cold-war euphoria in the 90s.
| >>645792
The point is, that the chinese "communist" autocrats aren't the only and maybe not even the biggest villains here. Multinational companies and capitalists from "free" western countries collaborate voluntarily with them for the sake of profit while their propaganda denounces social movement in the west as evil communist loosers. Autocracy is not contradictory to capitalism. And eventually communism is not contradictory to democracy and freedom.
| >>646340 >>646341
I'm literally talking about the slaughter of innocent protesters. No matter how hard you try to twist your logic you can't blame that act on the western world.
| chink shills itt, again
| Fuck the Chinese government, screw Chinese "tradition" ("well if you eat this part of an animal it'll make you feel mightier and healthier.")
| Otherwise China's ok, I guess.
| Whatever, rednecks thinking the UN are run by demons are more of a problem than China. It's impossible to have a serious civil rights discussion with Trump whoring for attention at the same time.
At the same time after what happened these 20 last years I don't trust Western leaders in matters of human rights. They'd rather have a war-torn, burning China than a democratic, vibrant competitor.
| Honestly, China at this point looks better as an emigration destination than the us or Europe.
| >>646345
I just find it hypocritical if people from the western world criticize china while making profit with trading/consuming cheap textile, plastic and microelectronic stuff...
They cry about tibet, the uigurs, some students back then at tienanmen while sitting warm and comfy in their living rooms illuminated by lightbulbs made in the pcr, in clothes made from fabrics made in the pcr and typing on their computers/smartphones made in the pcr.
| >>646811
Your off-topic rant has absolutely nothing to do with tianmen square. Go be obnoxious and stupid somewhere else.
| >>646650
"well if you eat this part of an animal it'll make you feel mightier and healthier."
This kind of stuff is not that specific for chinese culture. It exist in any culture, even in "modern" western food and health trends. Have you never heard about "Snakeoil?"
| >>646815
It's very prevalent in Chinese culture to the point of there being a worldwide market of exotic animal parts that ends up in China. You don't see this in the rest of the world.
At least be well-read about the subject before you force it down peoples troaths.
| >>646813
The topic is "I want to know how do you think of china". You brang in the Tianmen square massacre, I brang in the fact that china plays an important role for "our" globalized economical system. It's neither off-topic nor unrelated. Because of the mentioned circumstances criticism on violation of human rights done by the chinese government is quite problematic for and dishonest by many. Trying to separate these things follows clearly a certain political agenda.
| >>646818
You keep responding to my tianmen square post with walls of off-topic rants about perceived Western values. If you can't understand what you're doing wrong then you're a lost cause. No one is even having a debate with you yet you keep on showing a bunch of made up facts down my throat.
As per my earlier post, go be obnoxious and stupid somewhere else.
| >>646816
I think you have a temporal very limited understanding of "culture". The "worldwide market" for exotic animal parts is a quite new/modern phenomenon in china. Having access to a world wide market already is a very new thing, if you think about how long chinese culture exists. Other cultures had and have this kind of stupidities too.
| >>646820
Either they are facts or they are made up. Both can't be. So please explain what do you exactly believe is made up and what is a fact.
You don't seem to understand that your "western values" have no meaning in a globalized world economy and that chinese policy plays a prominent role in it. You try to separate and demonize china as a foreign, isolated entity which somehow operates as an evil autonomous force from outer space.
| >>646821 It doesn't matter if it's "new". It's still culture. A culture can definitely change in a short time. Just look at what the internet did.
Besides a worldwide market for exotic trade is at least a few hundred years old. At least be well-read about the subject before you force it down peoples troaths. Pulling "facts" from your ass doesn't make you right not interesting.
| >>646823
>You don't seem to understand that your "western values" have no meaning in a globalized world economy and that chinese policy plays a prominent role in it. You try to separate and demonize china as a foreign, isolated entity which somehow operates as an evil autonomous force from outer space.
I've never done any such thing. You're the only one in this thread who mentioned these topics, you moron.
Go read up on logical fallacies too while you're at it.
| FIFTY CENTS
| >>646823
Only Americans, Chinese and Saudis talk about "Western values". Probably because their religious/ideological dogma incite them to try to trivialize them. But the civilized nations comprising the rest of the world talk about human rights, as understood by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Talk about human rights.
| As as south america resident, western values are kinda cancer, together with the pesudo colonization they made on us, though I wouldn't prefer the easter values, both suck to be honest, the world sucks as a whole by human ignorance and greed
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| EU, unfortunate situation where ccp is an authoritarian cyberpunk dystopia. Also sucks that the cultural revolution happened a d they had nothing to replace it other then the state. Sucky.
| Ah fuck, they just banned online games in china, damn censorship, their governament really sucks I feel bad for their people
| >>647294
I grew up entirely without online games. I still love video games, but I would never play titles with forced online connection.
| >>647450 yup but still people should be allowed to play what they want, think about how many good games will die because they have a minor online mode
| >>647294 >>647456
This is not true.
Online games still works in China but you can only play with other people within Chinas borders. Smaller game companies with always online functions of course won't work but big companies like Blizzard will definitely have servers within the great firewall. Every game that allows you to host your own server will also work.
| >>647473 the games will die anyway, not enough peps playing, also think about the ruined friendships or lost playerbases, limiting servers by country is the same as not alowing people to play the game since no country has enough people to sustein every single online game, do underated titles in china won't have players
| China is pushing for centralized tcp/ip.
That's a bigger issue than corona.
| Even if the rest of the world is playing, the online in china will be dead since less people playing means less available sesions wich means no newcomers and nobody plays 2 games at the same time, so if cod is bombing in china, nobody is playing lol, overwatch etc, giving less options and killing smaller communities in china, and nobody can stop it
| >>647504
Blizzard games definitely won't die in China. People will still play with other Chinese people. There's literally like a billion of them.
| >>647509 what about other online games there? The online games arent't just blizard, think about splatoon, league, wow, other mobas, fps, shooters, look how many games will die in china because there won't be enough people playing
| >>647509 not every citizen can or likes to play online games, conforming to that is stupid, there is not enough people to support every single game they have, and trust me a lot of people will lose their favourite game because of a lack of player base
| >>647546
As I said, big companies are already hosting servers in China because they want the Chinese money. Some games will die, yes. But that is nowhere close to the earlier claim that online games are banned. Which isn't true.
Besides isn't wow a Blizzard game?
>not every citizen can or likes to play online games, conforming to that is stupid
I don't think anyone here made that claim.
| >>647570 if any game dies it is bad independent of it's popularity
>There's literally like a billion of them.
This sounds like every chinese citizen has a console with all online games
Not every blizard game is a mega hit
| Government is shit, but at least most of what they export is pretty good, specially phones
| >>647694 with over working and semi slave labour, lets not forget the concentration camps and agressive lawn enfocement with tons of censorship
| >>647629
You are definitely misunderstanding the meaning behind that sentence.
>>647694
Yeah, our phones are one of our modern wonders. And like all wonders they're made by throwing slavery and misery at it. People are literally jumping from the roofs of those factories.
>>647696
I don't think the concentration camps or the law(n) enforcement has anything to do with cell phone manufacturing though?
| >>647696 the lawn enforcement is crazy g/u/rl. Just the other day I got chewed out for having my grass half a centimeter too tall. Half a centimeter! How often do they want me to cut that? I think Shelby (in charge of the team that tries to keep the neighbourhood looking good (forget what it's called)) is just jealous that my lawn is nicer than hers. Maybe if she tended to it more in the spring, rather than cheating on her husband so much, she'd have a nicer lawn.
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| Whatever you are from,US,Japan,EU or other nation. I'm from China(i mean the big one),not for argue,just talk.