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Corona: The emperor called "neoliberalism" is naked
| ... apologist of this "neoliberal" ideology suddenly became suprisingly silent. All over the world economical and political elites started crying for a strong estate making fundamental economical interventions. The long proclaimed dogma of the supremacy by a self-regulating free market has been dropped rapidly facing this crisis - much more than it already happened in order of the terrorist attacks against the USA and the global financial crisis in the 00s.
| I'm curious to hear what you g/u/rls think about this observations, no matter what your political/ideological stance is. Nevertheless, do us a favor and keep the discussion civilized!
| capitalism was seemingly efficient because it thrived on greed and competition. and it worked. a command economy can be massively useless but quick and focused in times of emergency, at least more than what we have now, when a coof can send the markets spiraling out of control.
if capitalism is funky and communism doesn't work, then i'm going the 3rd way...?
| Most of the world isn't neoliberal, there's the us and australia, maybe japan. Corporations and their owners don't realy care about ideology, they care about making money, and usually pushing a neolib agenda is profitable. Now the profitable thing is beg (or rather, lobby) for government help. Now for day to day people that like going on about minimum state and all that, i guess they're just dumb
| To think any extreme will solve all of your problems is extremely naive. Sure, the unchecked capitalism of America isn't the perfect utopia system. A lot of people fall through the cracks, and now that mega corps rule the business world, the American dream is essentially dead. But communism isn't a perfect solution either. It's a complex world out there that requires complex solutions. If I had to choose a country who I think is doing things right, it'd be Canada.
| Do they have a perfect country? No. There's a lot wrong. But the way they go about handling and somewhat restricting the market is smart, or smarter at least than what's going on in America right now. But America will never see the benefits of a system like this because at even the mere mention of free healthcare they reel back into their seat REEEEEing "COMMUNISM COMMUNISM" and hyperventilating.
| >>639544 worst of both worlds lol, fascism had monopolizing supercapitalists, state bureaucrats plus a bonus of erratic dictators
| Neither (the historically known) communism nor the currently practiced capitalism is suited to provide humanity a future worth living in.
The best thing is a compromise, which temporarily existed in the west after WW2 as long it was not that obvious that the USSR will loose the economical and military competition. A prominent example of how to bring together the best of both worlds was the education reforms and public investment in research by the USA facing the sputnik-shock.
| The USSR on the other hand failed to make reforms during the spring of prague. Lots of the self proclaimed "communist" leadership behaved more like a bourgeois reactionary elite than a revolutionary force. Brezhnev was not able or not willed to reform the stiff and bloated bureaucracy. Under him the de-stalinization (initiated by his predecessor Khrushchev) wasn't just stopped but also partly reverted. And Gorbachevs was to late with his reforms and foolish naive facing the west.
| However, I grew up in the USSR and still had a great childhood - not only despite but also because the absence of affluence on the one side and the insecurity on the other side I experienced in the supposedly superior capitalism. Even thought it wasn't the intention by communist theory and leadership, people learned how to be creative and find solutions with limited resources. It was far from beeing ideal but also far from that autocratic hellhole todays propaganda tells you.
| Do some of you unironically still believe in "the end of history"?
| Certainly down here in New Zealand the wheels are coming off. We've got government intervention because piss poor planning has lead to piss poor business resilience. Our largest companies failed to keep cash assets and plan for this even though the government and insurers noted this as a high probability high impact event.
We implemented the fastest and widest ranging neoliberal transformation in the 80s called Rogernomics.
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Our policy wonks have seen that rogernomics hasn't really helped the average New Zealander. So we're changing step and having the state step into the market some more.
The current government once they return to normal sitting will have to compete with the Chinese and American backed "National" party to implement the proposed reforms so 20% of the kids in NZ can eat 3 meals a day and live in a house lol
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| It's almost 4 decades ago when radical capitalism became the world dominating ideology again, after causing two major historical catastrophes. Ultimately sealed by the failure of the USSR to provide an alternative, it proclaimed a minimal estate with low market regulations a.k.a. "laissez faire", disguised behind euphemistic terms like "free market" and "economical liberalism" but also critized as "neoliberalism". But now as humanity faces a global crisis caused by a virus the ...