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So fascist won in Brazil
| :c >>pats.
| I hope after he starts getting hueland out of the shit you cucks stop labeling him.
| >>424582
>move from fascist country to fascist country
Liberal logic. Oh daddy Trump save me from my even scarier president! Fuck off subhuman.
| Ohhh for christ sake, attitudes like yours is one of the mai reasons that he won, get a fucking job, grow up, wake up early in the morning go to work to college and work your sorry arse out, I guarantee that your world view will change for fuck sake.
| It's pretty sad, guy doesn't even have any real proposals to govern, his rise was due to hate alone. Also he wants to let companies do whatever they want with the amazon, and that can fuck up the world big time
| Cry loser, cry more!
| "Hurr durr fascist won, I'd rather have commies who ruined our country back in power again, sniff sniff..."
| I'd rather have neither, but better be a pig than a fascist. I despise the worker's party, but at least with them I can say that out loud without danger
| >>424654
>>424688
so there's no difference between USA and brazil? how bout you spend the summer there, in the north?
you're gonna love it, it's full of nonwhites
>>424582
good, degeneracy has gone on long enough
| >>424718
Brazil is a shithole but all these tards scream about a rightwing politician and say they are moving to USA where another rightwing polician is in charge. Suddenly Trump is not so bad huh?
| Trump is basically searching for allies just because the Fatty Fat Corean is enraged, nothing new
Also, I think he works more like a puppet than a proper politician, he's a president, not an emperor
| Also, hate Bolso and go put to Trump's land is almost an irony, I'd prefer a country where I can at least live with dignity
| My corrector inserted that "put" in here, just forget about it
| >>424680 You know? How could someone answer differently? Really? Fascist? Like the Mussolinni's black shirts? When people get stabbed and beat to death, and those who do it say "I don't care" When he talks about smashing the skulls of socialists then you can call him that you fucking moron, you people cried wolf about everything in this election, racist, nazi, fascist don't mean shit now thanks to you fuckers. Learn from your defeat, grow the fuck up.
| Is it true hes gonna send the cops nigger hunting?
| It's time to organize and support the resistance in the name of international solidarity!
If the fascists really ease weapon laws, they have to learn that this way they dig their own grave.
Btw. Brazil is no unique case. Any capitalist country is going to be transformed into an illiberal, fascist society, no matter if they were ruled by social democrats or left-liberals. Because they all did neoliberal politics, which is capitalism, which leads to fascism.
| If you libtards scream that Brazil is facist now, I sure hope we become National Socialists.
| >>425105
In the end you neocon-neolib and fascist trash will loose. Unfortunately there is a chance you will lead millions again into death with your stupid racist and nationalist lies. We already have been there. Bolsonaro will make the people of brazil dumb slaves to his capitalist friends. Those who support him will get privileges, those who oppose him will be oppressed and persecuted. Venezuela will look like a happy theme park in comparision to what will happen in brazil.
| >>425110
The most significant difference to venezula will be, that bolsonaros autocracy will be supported by the global capitalist hegemony. They will pamper him, no matter how inhumane and autocratic his reign will be. Because he is one of them. He belongs to those who give a shit on common people, fooling them with made up stories about glory of the one and only god and the holy nation. Sane and reasonable people in Brazil will have a hard and dark time now.
| >>425112 >>425110 Yeah buddy capitalism is bad and socialism is good ao it's a mistery on how the most free economies are the richiest ones and after 16 years of left/socialist gov we are where we are cuz mistery too since socialism make our lives so damn good like you said.
| https://twitter.com/jackyatess/status/1056931486895616000?s=19
most poor and vulnerable people didn't vote for Bolsonaro, only rich did
| >>425128 You're trying to tell me 55% of Brazil classifies as rich?
>>424686 Those are the choices you gave yourselves though, just like we in the US stuck ourselves with a crook & a megalomaniac.
When it comes down to it most people seem to prefer a tyrant to a crook.
| It's funny how monkeys who pretend at being human lose their illusory manners as soon as they start talking about politics. Insults and fallacious arguments, what a joke you are, you all.
| >>425117
What do I have from a "rich economy" if it leads society straight into war and dictatorship? Oh yeah, my economy is so rich and because I'm so glad and happy the rich ones give some small reward for beeing devoted to them I even will kill and enslave others because they are just some evil jewish communist nigger fag traitors on god and the nation. Hail Bolsonaros!
| >>425134
Who cares about grammar? Turn your brain on and don't expect others to serve you everything in fine suitable pieces.
| Bolsonaro is a massive fucking idiot, along with a good 2/3 of the people in this thread trying desperately to bash other people and groups. You're petulant children acting like autistic redditors spouting meaningless "not an argument" replies because you barely know anything, and you know you don't. Kindly neck yourselves.
| >>425265
Well it's fine as long I live in a society that rewards being an asshole. I would like to change it, but people unfortunately seem to prefer it this way.
| >>425274 >ad hominem is an actual argument now
Yeah, only massive fucking idiots want the country to abide by its laws. The world we have now is such a disgrace by blocking natural selection from doing its work.
| >>425248
So that's all you found to counter argue?
I never said anything about being better or worse, did I?
Oh, did I hurt your feelings?
| >>425299
No, are you?
Your weak agressivity is pointless and ridiculous. If you can't stand being called a monkey, try to stop behaving like one.
| >>425251 Bloody hell mate which drugs are you on? War? Ok then what about the 60 thousand death per year in socialist goverments that is war to me. Dictatorship through dialogue and votes that is a first. You must be so glad that state gives you a small reward for being so devoted to them. Jewish? Hahahahaah I see that you are not brazillian, there are barely none jewish here, it's rare as fuck to see one here. I have been living years in this shithole and I csn count when I saw it
| >>425320
>War?
Oh yeah, right the first world war a.k.a. the great war never happened. Also the second world war had absolutely nothing to do with capitalism. Of course. It's just a strange coincidence that the nazis won the masses by blaming jews for beeing evil capitalists and socialists at the same time.
| >>425320
>Ok then what about the 60 thousand death per year in socialist goverments
Oh man, always the old stories from stalinism, cambodia and north korea beeing the one and only prototypes of all socialist governments for ever. Just forget about jugoslavia, cuba, post-stalinist soviet union and post-maoist china. And forget about social democracy, trade unionism and the whole labour movement and their successes for the working class.
| >>425320
>You must be so glad that state gives you a small reward for being so devoted to them.
Public estate gives me something that private economy gives a shit on:
Basic civil rights.
>Jewish? Hahahahaah I see that you are not brazillian, there are barely none jewish here
The fascists decide now in your country who is the jew, not you. They will find someone to scapegoat for all bad what happnes. If it's not "jews", it's homosexuals, black people, natives and other minorities.
| >>425384 Don't talk about things you know nothing, Brazil is annoyingly pacifist we barely went to any war, that I was talking about.>>425385 Again, don't talk about things you do not know, I am Brazillian we had 16 years of socialist goverment and the average of peope dying with murder just increased to 60 thousand, in hospitals and such,>>425387 Oh yes, they gave the human right of misery, death and such, that is what they gave us here. Oh yes a fascist that want people
| Armed and being able to defend themselfs. And our "scapegoat" was a proved crooked political party, the worker's party so basically, fuck you, you first world pseudo communist revolutionaire, go to a commie state and see how lovely is there. You are the typical steriotype of the socialist middle class, in the first world indulging in capitalist things and talking random bullshit without context and just to push your idiotic and dead agenda without knowing reality.
| So please don't spread bullshit about my country, it is already a shithole don't help to make it worse.
| I wish a real communist uprising would finally happen and wipe out these fake communist-in-name-only fascist states and despotic regimes
But nope, people are too easily corrupted by greed and willing to look the other way if it means getting more than the other guy
| >>425427 That's only the nature of every living things out there; those who care about others more than themselves die for others & die out, the people who have survived to make up most of the human race are generally those who actually pursue their own interests.
| >>425427
The problem is, that communism was never established in an evironment it was intensioned to be established. Most "communist" regimes had to handle either colonialized and eventually feudal and technological backwarded countries where capitalism didn't even exist. In fact most "communist" regimes were lead by an autocratic bourgeois alike elite fighting against feudalism and imperial occupiers while pushing industrialization. (Cambodia was a special absurd exception)
| >>425474
You never heard about symbiosis, balance of eco systems and stuff? Nature doesn't work the way you described it. Also "altruism" and "egoism" are human terms. Nature gives a fuck on both. Nature is much about collaboration where loners are included and have their role for the whole thing.
"Human nature" is dependent on circumstances which can be reflected and (re-)arranged by humans themselves. This is what we have science and technology for.
| >>425474 social darwinism is straight up pseudo science bullshit.
Anyway it's important to remember that human nature cannot be divorced from production, nor production from human nature. Humans have a drive to spontaneously and creatively produce products in a manner that is conducive to social and individual satisfaction.
| >>425592 ...In producing a unique product, man affirms his uniqueness, and in distributing it he gratifies someone else. And through that gratification, he further gratifies himself. Simultaneously, the same producer depends upon the same relationship of unique production and exchange from someone else. Therefore what was unique to him is in reality common to all.
| >>425592 You're leaning back toward social darwinism without even realizing it. Human beings generally have an innate creative urge, but neandethals did not. Their tools never evolved, & so they were outcompeted by us.
That aside, we also have ways to gratify ourselves which don't require the skill, time, resources or effort to produce something. People consume & indulge, & this gratifies them more frequently & easily. We can argue that the joy of productive activity is more...
| satisfying, but I think we can both agree that in practice far more people in capitalist societies revel in base & consumeristic gratification than any productive variety thereof.
But leaving that aside for a moment, the producer you describe could start making people pay a net profit for what he produces, rather than simply sharing it, & therein he feels superior to those around him & gratifies himself even further.
| Recieving something in return allows him to quantify his efforts, but if he doesn't receive more than someone who he knows/thinks to be less skilled than himself, rather than gratified he feels unappreciated & unfulfilled.
| >>425571
If you believe that people can create & maintain a perfect environment for your desired social behaviors that idealism is on you, allow me to simply say that I disagree. You can create a programming environment & language in which any program will perform any set of tasks you want it to, but reality is considerably less malleable.
| We are totally side tracked on topics here
| Social darwinism at work in conversation. All topics eventually give way to arguments about ideology.
OT, the question in my mind, as someone who's never been to Brazil, is whether Bolsonaro will restore military rule. Some Brazilian g/u/rls seem to have the impression that in policy he'll be a pretty cool somewhat American style conservative, & that'd be fine, but I'm curious about how the institutions of government will fare under him.
| >>425685 Brazillian g/u/rl here. I from the bottom of my dark and dead heart, doubt that he will restore any kind of military dictatorship. This is mostly media hysteria. He is calling an right wing liberal economist to his gov, and wants to reduce state size and bureocracy which a lot of people agree, he wants a really hard policy against crime, he is pretty much your standart conservative listening to a liberal economist in the classical sense, the rest is hysteria.
| Holy fuck can y'all discuss about it like normal people?
| >>425715 the problem is: if he convince millions of people to stand in his side, he can just give weapons to his minions, blow up the constitution and hunt his oppositors with the pretext of a cOmMuNiSt mEnAcE or something like that
| >>425731 He won't give out guns, retard. He'll only make it easier to have them AT HOME, for protection. And with the laws actually being followed, most of his oppositors, that are corrupt and have been fucking us over for a long time, will be in jail.
| >>425731 You are stretching like a lot. Funny how one can say the same for Lula and the MST, MTST the difference one being in the media and the other does not even exist.
| >>425715 This, exactly. People forget that the militars only did a coup back then to prevent the commies from doing the same, and that they were only able to do so because they had USA's financial backing. They also forget that the military coup willingly removed themselves from power and restored democracy shortly after, something that never happened with any other dictatorship in the world, regardless of political wing.
| black-shirted comrades, do not fall for the bolsonaro trickery. he is a sionist and an austrian-school hebrew wearing a non-pc neocon mask. to hell with him
| >>425879 I live in fucking Brazil, and I believe what I said. Trust is the most important thing in the world, and I just gave mine to him.
| "Universities raided and professors threatened as Brazil elects far-right President -- Universities across Brazil were raided ahead of last Sunday’s election, with police “questioning professors and confiscating materials belonging to students and professors.”
>>425312
still autistic
| >>426018 I give a maximum of 1 year to the censorship affect universities and schools, you can print it
| >>426544
You mean like how we have corporate censorship in north america and Europe? You say censorship like it is a foreign concept only present in literallyhitler
| Kazahstan
| >>426544 Try to be right wing in a public university here in Brazil just to see what happens to you.
| >>427068 I hope something bad. Every person who is against lgbt and trans people deserves to be beat. You can't argue with fascists they don't understand logic, they should be bashed.
| >>427070 auehaushaheuahsh kkkkkkkkkk hahaahahahahhaah BLOODY HELL I SAID RIGHT WING and you naturally associate that with being a bigot, guess what mate you are a bigot yourself hahahahahahahah
| >>428004
You are gonna have to dumb it down for them a bit more. Throw in some Harry Potter analogies or Star Wars.
| >all these libtard faggots
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| I am trying to get enough money and emigrate to US, already got the passport too. One of my trans friends was already attacked on the street, I'm afraid ;(