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Where sand really becomes a rare resource
| ... (which btw. is ranked one place after hungary in the center of the world-corruption-perception-index) there are high punishments for "sand-robbery". Countries on the arabian peninsula, like Saudi-Arabia, are world leading sand importeurs, financed with the oil-richness. It's needed for the construction/building industry, which is also booming in non-development capitalist countries (note that it's mostly used for bureau-towers and rich-peoples apartments). ...
| ... This leads to serious lacks on the "sand market". It seems, that jokes on real-socialism issues must be rewritten, as in the todays globalized real-capitalist world, they occur to the dominating capitalist system.
In general, the interesting thing is, that problems like this are not really perceptuated in the media or public discussions, as everything seems to be dominated by identity and migration politcs between left-liberals and right-conservatives.
| Your real Socialists have wasted just as many resources but you'd never admit that. Horribly inefficient machine systems and attempts to use a material for the sake of a human construct will indeed cause waste. However you can keep scrambling with your obsessive narrative of Communism vs literally every single other person in the planet.
| Oh its a long winded "other peoples money" argument. You have no idea how the real world works do you?
| What the hell are you going on about?
| >>393613
So if capitalism is so efficient, how it comes that dumb inefficient socialists were most time leading in the space race?
If there wasn't the sputnik-shock, western universities would never have opened to poorer people, which was essential for the advance in information technology.
And if there wasn't the socialists movement, including the failed socialist estates, there would never have been the idea of a social market (it started dieing with the end of the USSR)
| >>393613
Also a lot of machines and from socialist times are still in use and working, what i can't say for most "modern" capitalist products. Planned obsolescence is actually a real thing. At the current rate people soon have to buy a new car per year (maybe because of the artificial end-of-support for the bord-computer, lol) "Eternal growth" is one of the big unsolved issues of capitalism (beside the returning class-conflict, which is canalized in other ones).
| >>393791
Nothing special. I'm just questioning the supremacy of the capitalist ideology and system and it's propagandistic and wrong reception of failed real-socialism.
| >>393791
>>393949
And also point on the issue of the lack of reflection on it's own problems. I mean in any country public discussions are dominated by topics regarding gender, cultures, immigration, the consistence of trumps shit... But criticizing issues of capitalism is treated like madness or blasphemy. Look at this g/u/rls "argumentation": >>393680
I'm impressed!
| >>393943 yet the tech from that time wastes far more resources. Yet the machines of that time do the same. The reason many of your so called "still in use" tech is rapidly replaced is that. Or are you not farmiliar with these small details, millenial?
>>393955 Perhaps it's because you have a narrative against no one and the issues are only reflected through your dogmatic pov. You assume that your gospel is righteous and is the truth.
| >>393607
Do have that copied from an article? If so I'd like to have the link to share with people.
Thanks <3
| >>393960
>You assume that your gospel is righteous and is the truth.
Yes, and of course your kind don't.
What about all that capitalists "pragmatism" ideology, which is nothing but a euphemism for "we are always right and everyone who critisizes us is a stupid, naive, dangerous, evil socialist"?
Don't make me laugh.
Btw. I'm no "milenial". I know the world before 1989, born in the red empire of evil.
| >>394010
It's a recombination and summary of diffrent articles/topics.
You could copy a link to here, use copy&paste or use sth. like pastebin to share it.
| If capitalism doesn't work I suppose I should stop paying taxes as much as possible.
| >>393943
You talk about things from socialist times like they weren't that good in capitalist parts of the world, but the appliances I use are all 20+ years. Soviet cars on the other hand?
Paradigms don't create products, workers & organizations do. Sometimes it's the shit & sometimes it's just plain shit, & it happens everywhere.
| >>394808 The government is basically a gigacorp specializing in public service. To deny them tax is to deny buying their service.
| >>394965
Compared to private companies a government may have:
- Democratically elected representants/leaders
- Independent institutions (legislative, executive, judicative)
- a constitution
- the duty to work transparent
Yes, all these things can be (and are) damaged or threatned in most countries, but I don't know any private corporation which has such things.
| >>394965
A government has, at least on paper, an obligation to prioritize is citizens over its bank accounts.
A corporation can & will be sued out the ass by its shareholders if it ever comes out that the corporation deprioritized profit.
| >>395757
And the shareholders themselves are all and always trustworthy and honest people. Corruption, debt/speculation bubbles and fake values only are made by governments and never in the transparent and democratic private economy. And on Christmas a fat man in a red suite jumps through the chimney to bring the children presents.
Pls. tell me more of your theoretically ideal capitalist disneyland utopia fantasyland.
| >>395919 And in your utopian Socialist Disneyland party members don't abuse their power, allocate resources to themselves and hire relatives over others "democratically".
Oh wait.
| Woah this is real as fuck
| >>395919
What the fuck did you think my argument was? I'm saying the corporate shareholders have & use a legal right to punish a company for being humanitarian & you think I'm saying corporate shareholders are trustworthy?
| >>395954
Well, it's no big secret that real socialism failed in many ways, including massive disasters. BUT it bores me to death hearing this always as a killer-argument you got for criticizing capitalism. I don't want a socialist/communist dictatorship nor a "socialism in one country", which relies on one, finite fossil resource (greetings to Venezuelan government, you douchebags ruined it). I only want international, democratic and solidary socialism instead nazism/fascism.
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| There was a common joke about the so called "real-socialism", shared by the political right and economic-liberals:
"What happens if socialists create a society in the Dessert? It soon runs out of sand!"
Now, since there were decades of ignorance to the fundamental issues of the capitalist system, reality catches up with real-capitalism: Sand becomes more and more a rare good in capitalist societies. For example in the Senegal ...