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Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro almost killed
| Will provide english source as soon as I have it
| Damn, this is cyberpunk as fuck. I hope they use more advanced robots next time.
| Damn.
| English source as promised.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45073385
| This literally happened 90 minutes ago (more or less)
| More detalled one: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/04/venezuelan-president-nicolasmaduro-cuts-short-speech-panic-amid/amp/
| It doesn't get much more cyberpunk than assassinating corrupt officials with remote explosive drones.
| They have to get rid of him sooner or later. He's causing nothing but poverty for the nation.
| I got out of Venezuela 2 years ago. AMA
| 3 years next december 30th
| Hopefully they succeed next time, the shittiest thing is that the president of Cuba and Colombia are supporting maduro, a bunch of corrupt fuckers supporting each other
| I would rather see such a thing happen to Donald Trump.
| >>381022
>the shittiest thing is that the president of Cuba and Colombia are supporting maduro, a bunch of corrupt fuckers supporting each other
You're wrong. Maduro just accused the colombian government for the attack, as they are pretty much opposing the Venezuelan government.
| You all are so naive, that you believe that the Opposition in Venezuela
(or Cuba) will be less corrupt and so much better. Sure, they have huge self-made problems but it's also no secret they also have insanely to struggle with a increasing radical opposition, supported by the USA and with lot's of restrictions, sanctions and massive opposition from them. Unfortunately the Venezuelan government is much more incompetent but I say it again: Don't expect the opposition 'll do better.
| Also the thread title ignores the fact that maduro was democratically elected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2018
I'm not a big fan of Maduro, but I think we should be fair. Else you could say Donald Trump or George W. Bush are/were dictators since they didn't win the popular vote. Also George W. Bushs near-east policy fucked up an already fucked-up region with massive suffering making the Venezuelan economy crisis look like a birthday-party.
| I wamt him dead so fkin much
| I like Cuba, but have dislike current Vuvuzela government. Chavez is rolling in his grave.
| >>381124
To be fair Chavez is not completely free from responsibility for the current situation. He spent too much effort into image campaigns and person cult. Also he was too much nationalist and did a row of homophone statements. Instead he should have invested more in economic development to make Venezuela less dependent on oil exports. Also he allowed to much corruption in this sector. I don't like Madison, but neither Chavez nor the so called "opposition" here. It's all shit.
| >>381127 I agree that Chavez should have invested and diversified the economy. But his contribution to social welfare of regular Venezuelan shouldn't be overlooked.
| >>381129
I agree and I'm glad that the discussion became more constructive, despite the provocative threat-title. Pls. let's keep this civilized. I'm also sorry for this >>381112 statement, as afterwards i recognized it just contributes to drive the spiral of escalation up. It was more meant to be a sarcastic statement to all this childish hate and death wishes which came up here.
| >>381129 No offense but social policy with 0 work on economical policy is a terrible idea. It ends up creating far more poverty in the long run. I think Chavez was a bad politician as a result. It would be similar to any politician entirely focusing on economical policy, as that then creates on the longrun social unrest.
The oil should've never been Nationalized. Progressive tax would've made far more sense to fuel these policies and wouldn't have lead to such corruption.
| >>381137 many countries have nationalised their oil. That wasn't the problem. Mismanagement by the government on the other hand, yes.
| >>381139 I'd say it's an issue in Venezuela because I assume there are very few politicians who would understand how the oil made profit to begin with. It would also make the country far too focused on its oil alone in this case. Simply reviewing what Chavez did once he received it. That would in term make it collapse very quickly if there were things outside of it simply making profit, as it happened before.
I should've mentioned that too.
| >>381141
>I assume there are very few politicians who would understand how the oil made profit to begin with
I assume there are very few capitalists that are interested in making people participate on their profit to begin with
| >>381119
I am a Venezuelan who left seeking asylum and I'm telling you Maduro is considered a dictator since both the elections of both 2013 and 2018 were shamelessly rigged, with the ones of may being rejected by Argentina, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Chile, and the United States. ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-g20-venezuela/six-countries-at-g20-meeting-reject-venezuela-election-result-idUSKCN1IM211 )
| The protests against the prace inflation and insecurity held at 2014 showed the brutality of our goverment as they sent the national guard of the country to blatantly shoot at the student protesters , not to mention the tortures these received only for protesting for a better country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/06/06/accounts-of-brutal-torture-further-isolate-venezuela-but-we-need-justice/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.362412b0726f
| I participated in the protests, I saw friends of mine being taken away and never returned, there is even the story of one student who relates (And I'm speaking from raw memory) :
| >>381240
"They played football with our heads, kicking us constsantly while screaming 'GOAL!' and laughing, they hit us with their weapons, with tubes, they jumped over our heads laughing, at one point I pretended to pass out just to see if they stop, but they proceeded to pull down my boxers and shoved the tip of a rifle up my ass until I moved, then started kicking us again"
| Venezuela is a FRAUDULENT goverment, we couldn't go vote in 2013 without bikers rallying nearby to threaten or shoot us to scare the line, and even when the opposition was notorious everywhere the goverment would still "win"
| The current situation in Venezuela is worse than it looks like, I send money to my family there every month and there is NO FOOD, even the people with money can't find it, people searching trough trash for food is something common these days (Not only poor people, any kind of people), and the average Venezuelan has lost 30lbs because of the lack of food.
And of course the president mocked this situation by eating an Empanada on live television.
| People these days eat dogs, pigeons, thieves are getting into houses just to steal food, not even valuables, FOOD
| The vice-president and the president's right hand are both confirmed to be in the international drug traffick business.
Tarek:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/americas/venezuela-tareck-el-aissami-drugs-sanctions-maduro.html
Diosdado:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_de_los_Soles
| >>381170 You can use progressive tax if you want to utilize more of their profits. Destroying an entire industry out of incompetence and lack of knowledge on it on the other hand is not wise.
| So please, don't say Venezuela is a "democracy elected goverment". Venezuela is a corrupt, brutal goverment who's only objective is to take all the money they can before leaving, all while their people starve to death everyday, with no food, no medicines (People dying of the most treatable diseases) and no security.
| TL;DR
>>381231 >>381243 Fraudulent elections
>>381235 >>381240 >>381241 >>381251 Goverment Brutality
>>381248 President mocking the lack of food
>>381247 >>381250 Lack of food
>>381252 drug trafficking goverment
| https://m.imgur.com/gallery/qe2Oz
| >>c73895 Thank you for that info dump. I knew it was bad over there, but I never realized the extent of it all.
| >>381264
You're welcome, part of the totalitarian is that news don't get too much out of there, so people are usually uninformed.
| >>381247
But why is there a lack of food?
Because the capitalist opposition hords the food in warehouses.
The plan is to destroy the country and then privatise all major industries. It's the deal of the century if it works. A Soviet Union collapse 2.0.
| >>381247
And then y'all will wonder why there is a new Putin/Pinochet after y'all supported the 'opposition'
It's all just big capitalist, paying other big capitalist, so they will write lies in the media. And after Iraq and Lybia u still trust them.
| >>381290 >>381291
Capitalists have nothing to do with this, Maduro is just a corrupt bastard. Stop trying go derail every thread with this source-less bullshit.
| >>381285 Look at>>381258
Venezuela is doing the way it does due to awful awful management. But do continue derailing the thread with your narrative.
| >>381297 >>381302
nice shilling Porky
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/hoarding-causing-venezuela-food-shortages-20143210236836920.html
>2014 Big business bringing food out of country to sell it for more + hoarding
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy/venezuela-seizes-warehouses-packed-with-medical-goods-food-idUSKCN0ID00A20141024
>2014 seized warehouse full of medical goods and food
|
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/12/the-battle-for-venezuela-and-its-oil/
>2017 capitalists hoard food, US supporting opposition, etc.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Blaming-Socialism-US-Media-Distorts-Venezuelas-Food-Crisis-20170223-0053.html
>Panama Paper Links to redirecting raw food meant for Venezuela to Colombia
Contraband being a big problem
| Also I'm not saying that there wasn't stupid mismanagement as in every country. Just look at Germany they fuckin waste so much money. But they have the money so people don't care.
It was the same in Venezuela. Until the US and Saudi Government pressed down oil prices to fuck with Russia's economy, which also had the funny + that Venezuela got fucked too.
And suddenly Venezuela didn't have the money no more but still the mismanagement.
So suddenly the opposition saw an opportunity.
| And they took the opportunity.
And now they are profiting through the crisis (like always) while the people suffer.
And some opportunists in the Government start to embazel more and more money. And the other try to save the country.
And people a righteously angry. And start bombing police. And police starts shooting more and more people. And the media is manipulating the people, to get more profit out of the crisis.
It's a fucked up situation.
|
But it's not just the fault of the government.
A government which functioned better and more efficiently than many others without fuckin the whole population through crony capitalism. It had much for it.
But now everything is fucked. And everything which will come after will be worse. You will see.
Just look at history.
| So, the same goverment that kills the protesters, rapes them with rifles, mocks the people's starvation, has their own policemen stealing from the citizens AND does drug trafficking while running a cartel is a goverment that did nothing wrong and it's all the capitalists fault?
Man I'm all for socialism, but this is corruption and totaliarism
| >>381306 You literally proved my point with your bottom posts. If the country was managed cleverly any so called "attacks" or "sanctions" from foreign countries would not have an effect on what is considered core economical institutions that need to function.
Think about the fact that oil prices crashing alone can do this to a country and then tell me how it's entirely the fault of the capitalists. The country is terribly structured.
| >>381290
The first rotten food containers were found at PDVSA, company owned by the goverment who always accused the opposition with no real proof.
>>381294
I wanna say it's ok but I know is not, at least eople are not losing the will to fight.
| https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/telesur/
| >>381317
nice strawman
>>381318
lmao
4 sources
1 is Reuters
And you retard just talk about telesur? Good Job big boi
>>381319
Like I said, it's neither entirely the fault of the government nor the capitalists.
But the reason there is no food is the opportunistic capitalists who profit through the crises.
The reason for devaluation of the currency is a mismanagement of the country + foreign economic intervention which resulted in a downward spiral of capitalists profiting through it
| >>381331
https://www.google.com/amp/s/elpais.com/diario/2010/06/22/internacional/1277157604_850215.amp.html
Spain's most reliable news 'el pais'
| >>381328
nice fact check source
A website without information, where you can vote if you think a media source is right or left wing?
Thats what I call investigative journalism.
| >>381330 Hyperinflations don't result in profit for anyone. You should realize this, I hope. This isn't simply an economical crisis per type of an economical crash. This reaches to the point of the devaluation of the currency and anything related to it. The only profit to be found during it is for those that have debt, as it becomes incredibly easy to pay off due to the constantly lowering value of said currency.
| >>381330
I didn't meant to strawman, but I can't see how some people defend the goverment despite their violent attitude
| >>381340 https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/No-End-In-Sight-For-Venezuelas-Oil-Crisis.html
Or would your assumption simply go that "Venezuela can't sell oil now so it will cause profit for the Capitalists". That's the only route you can go at this point.
Any normal country would not collapse simply from one industry failing. The failure to provide the most basic commodity, food, that is always protected by the government, that should be telling you something.
| >>381340
Ya rly believe that?
I've send a bunch of sources which state otherwise.
Food can be sold for higher prices because there is more demand than food- which is why hoarding can turn up a profit. Also most shops just accept debit cards, so it's real profit.
Locally grown food can and is being sent to neighboring countries to turn up a safe profit from people who can pay you.
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>>381341
I getcha. I just want the conversation to be more nuanced and be looked at in a dialectal way.
I hope for a revolution, from the bottom up. A revolution to fight both the opportunists and corrupt people in the government, but also the capitalists who profit through this crisis. And will profit even more after they privatises everything (Soviet Union style) and create a worse government than now. Like Putin or Pinochet. As it happens before. As it will probably happen.
| >>381341
And it's not only police shooting at protester with rubber and gas, it's also petrol bombs being used by protesters to blow up police.
It's fucked up.
And I hope it wouldn't happen.
But you can see the selective western media which tries to portray Venezuela as the worst while the US has basically concentration camps where they big up random Muslims around the world and torture them daily. Just look at Guantánamo.
Or Turkey supporting literally ISIS.
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Doesn't excuses Venezuela's government. But everything has a cause and an effect.
| >>381342
>Any normal country would not collapse simply from one industry failing.
I wonder where todays highly industrialized nations would be without cheap labour from development countries and without exporting weapons and conflicts to them.
| >>381231
I am a Venezuelan who left seeking asylum and I'm telling you Maduro is considered a dictator since both the elections of both 2013 and 2018 were shamelessly rigged, with the ones of may being rejected by Argentina, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Chile, and the United States.
I am german whose parents left chile seeking asylum in the 70s and I'm telling you that the USA give a fuck about democracy in other countries. They're only interested in hegemony and taking resources.
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| An assassination attempt against the corrupt president just occured an hour in Live television, so far all that is known is that the attack was made by drones carrying explosives.
Source: https://amp.elmundo.es/internacional/2018/08/05/5b662beeca4741d0498b4648.html