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| People already have
How about do research?
| Ive only found people mocking the stupidity of it. I would like a non comedic example of the society they envision
| Anarchocapitalist is a society without a state (monopolistic organization that takes over the justice and defense means)
Like, every interaction is based on either contracts, or "voluntarity"
| Its essentially full on libertarian corporatism. No state, or in some forms, a puppet state, driven entirely by the theory of "if you work, you will thrive but money exists for incentive."
Its a shit system though because money inherently creates hierarchy through monetary accumulation and buying power, which makes anarcho-capitalism an oxymoron.
| Anarchocapitalism is not the ausence of hierarchys, damn, it is the ausence of the state
| >>367643 anarchism is the abolishment of authority when it comes to its political theory. Since hierarchy implies an authoritative order, it similarly must be abolished to achieve the anarchistic ideal.
The state is simply one example of authority. monetary authority, and violent authority exist, and are present in an anarcho-capitalist system.
If monetary gain was implicative of authority, it wouldn't be farfetched for some to enforce their authority w/ violence. Hence oxymoron
| >>367643 furthermore, disregarding faulty anarchist theory, a corporatist state would be established through anarcho-capitalism, given that a some few participating within the system create a gap in monetary authority, would seek to assure their authoritative dominance. Anarchy simply would not hold.
| Somalia
| but what if child consents though
| Think Shadowrun.
There ya go
| >>367610
And how do you get there? How are you gonna break the monopoly on justice and defense means? And what about the means of production? How do you ensure that there is a fair or no competition at all between groups?
| >>367854 in general, the market will be dinamic, and the competition will be natural, given one profit chance.
There are many ways discussed in the Ancap community, gradualism (thru politics), brutalism(rejection of politics as a way to change things for good, or bad)
The thing is, that it is not about a efficient system, it's about ethics and liberty (don't think we're just pure retard anarchists, the only thing that we forbidden, it the agression that the state does,agression gn
| >>367990
>in general, the market will be dinamic
what does "dynamic" mean? Sounds like marketing bullshit-bingo to me: "Cause it got electrolytes. What are electrolytes? I don't know, but they're fucking awesome!"
>and the competition will be natural
Natural as in the big ones eat the small ones? Natural as in poisonous mushrooms? Natural as in natural catastrophes?
>The thing is, that it is not about a efficient system, it's about ethics and liberty
sounds pretty naive to me.
| >>367990
>don't think we're just pure retard anarchists, the only thing that we forbidden, it the agression that the state does,agression gn
And what about agressions from private persons or organisations? What is about mercenaries, private police and private courts? Why should it be better than public ones?
How do you break the short-termed profit-orientation logic and the increasing power-gap caused by the private sector?
| As I see it,anarchism has a paradox it needs to solve. How can you help someone who is looking to harm themselves? Imagine a kid playing on the road while a car is driving towards them,a parent should have all the right to drag him off the road and force him not to play there again. So anarchist theorists limited themselves to "destroying any unjustified authority" and ancaps see capitalists as "justified" due to multiple reasons. Arguments against ancaps should be anti-capitalist.
| >>368608 TL;DR Ancaps are wrong if capitalism is unjustified.
So arguments against capitalism also apply against ancaps.
There are a shit ton of anti-capitalist arguments out there.
| >>368608 its more a problem with introducing a capitalist structure to anarchy. I believe anarchy is inherently socialist at the very least and requires an even, horizontal distribution of power to maintain itself.
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| >>368608 But if they want to maintain any form of calitalist structure, theyll need to place checks and balances to maintain a reasonable balance and minimize inequality in capital; essentially a single universal income. So i believe the most anarchist that capitalism can get is something like libertarian Socialism before falling apart.
| >>369174 not quite. Universal BASIC income implies its supplimentary. Im saying its the only income, a universal static income. Because if they have an anarchist structure, there's no government leash to keep the corporate cycle from chewing folks up. You get a blade runner situation where the most powerful corporations are the fovernment instead of a service that provides for others with monetary exchange as a bonus. So any form of pay hierarchy produces the opposite of anarchy.
| Anarchy is like a vacuum. It can only exist for a moment as long as anything exists around it. Its too easy for someone to get an advantage over those around them(physical, social, or economic) and exploit it to gain more advantage. Without a stronger force to limit them, this easily leads to autocratic tyranny. Rule by force. Government is the means by which a people limits themselves to prevent a worse form of government from arising.
| >>369636 government is also the structure that opresses people. At the end of the it's people with authority doing the oppression and if you remove the concept of government in society you can create a stateless, anarchist community that can work. My favorite example to cite are the smaller anarchist communities that popped up during the spanish civil war. They were more than self sustaining and the onoy reason they we're snuffed out was fascism and the red scare.
| >>370173
wait this is the fucking ancap thread not commies explain yourself thread
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| >>370173
So say people vote on whether to disallow Negroes from owning property, voting, & criticizing or testifying against Caucasians, & it passes with 51% of the vote.
By your standartd that's not oppression, because people voted to disallow it, yeah?
| Economys only work if money moves.
I pay $1 to a farmer for rice.
The farmer pays my $1 for a slice of pie
The pie maker pay the farmer's $1 for juice
The grocer pays $1 for aprx 12 minutes of a high schooler's time stocking shelves.
If the highschooler paid me $1 for a cool sticker, everyone got something just for moving the number.
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| Can an Ancap(anarchist + capitalist) explain how this works? Like give me an example of how this shit plays out?