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How does a cyberpunk themed forum even get people that are conservative
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| Dystopias attract pretty much everyone.
| I can only speak for myself, but I saw the app & was curious about it. Idr what else I was even looking at or for, but it wasn't cyberpunk. Frankly cyberpunk isn't my usual scene, but I'm a big film noir guy so there's conspicuous overlap.
| Because cyberpunks are about future dystopias? Where the technology is god, people get brainwashed, and protagonist is a nonconformist opposed by the state? I'd guess many conservatives feel this way in countries like Norway, Sweden, Germany or France. Smile and pretend world is good. Cyberpunk shows our future to them.
| I like the aesthetics and usually Cyberpunk stuff has good writing. You do realize this isn't exclusively left or right, right?
Plus a lot of right leaning folk also don't like exploitation or corporations shoving their dicks into everything. It's just that we don't want a failed political system as the solution. It's dumb that you treat some people as aliens due to their political beliefs. We all do but we're all in the shitter in the end.
| >>364208 It's kind of like how popular vaporware and disco is with right wing people these days. The style makes you feel like the music tries to distort time and run to a better place that doesn't really exist otherwise.
| >>364208
>we don't want a failed political system
Working for oh... the industrilized world so far.
Wheres the "tax is theft" countries.. oh yes. Samalia.
Reminder the articles of confederation failed
| >>364222 Name me a single Communist country that worked out and didn't collapse under its own back.
>it was not true Communism
I expect that reply immediately. Oh and speaking of which.
>>364217 That sums up the Eastern Bloc pretty well too.
It's nice to see that every commie on this community will chimp out at even the mention of someone right wing though.
| >>364228
Hey stupid.
Not communist.
Sorry to break it to you world isn't black and white.
Oh and Vietnam and Yugoslavia. China does pretty well since corporatists rely on them.
Theres 3
| >>364228
Its called social democracy.
See Japan, UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Germany, Holland
| Funny how they all rank higher in education innovation and living condition than the corporate states.
| >>364233 China and Vietnam have a private sector and I don't see neither Marxist nor Leninist policies in them. Yugoslavia blew up in a war with hundreds of thousands of victims so I don't see how you'd even use that as an example of a successful country, let alone a Communist one.
>>364237 Out of these mentioned Norway, Iceland, Sweden and Denmark are the closest to a social democratic system.
>>364238 Also the biggest corporations come from China and the US.
| >>364240 And those are the countries closest to a cyberpunk dystopia. Aesthetically some Chinese cities are already a cyberpunk dystopia and the US has some cities that are more of the 90's style of dystopias like Detroit.
And from the list of countries you mentioned only Norway, Denmark, Iceland and Japan are stable politically.
Also what the fuck is the point of arguing about this here? This is supposed to be a thread to show that right wing people enjoy cyberpunk too.
| It's because 'conservatives' (the type of people you're specifically referencing are so extreme they barely even qualify as conservative anymore) feel the need to spread their ideaology around and jam it down other people's throats like they've got herpes and the only way to stop the itching is to give it to someone else.
| >>364242
>closest to cyberpunk dystopias
Not even fucking close I can tell you had never gone to these countries let me guess where you were told this. Brietbart? Alex "Gay frogs" Jones? FOX? Or maybe from one of the repubs that was for arming toddlers
| I live in a world that is trying to change too fast before considering what those changes entail. With corporations being as guilty of forcing change not for the sake of the state or the people but for the profit of select few. Cyberpunk represents not the nightmare of the left (an alarmist notion on its face) but the insidious righteous fury of those moral conservatives that would hijack rational and economic discourse for religious or xenophobic agendas.
| >>364247
>Government monitors everything you do
>Your own lives are funneled through the interests of suits
>Neon signs and skyscrapers on one side, skyscrapers, darkness and a ton of crime on the other
>Unclear whether the goals are political or for profit
Also nice of you to assume what I read. I mostly go to infrastructure forums and see what's happening in my own country. Whether you're left or right, if you're reading news articles you'll learn nothing useful.
| >>1b3249 Buy Our Soda! It's what defines you as a person! This church will give you all your dreams for 99.99! Don't listen to them, they are criminals! Trust me, I work for the state/your-favorite-corporation. Those funny accent people are the reason you're poor: blame them: not bad luck, fraud, or corruption.
| >>364228
>Name me a single Communist country that worked out and didn't collapse under its own back.
Name me a single Communist country. You can't, because it doesn't exist per Definiton, as communism is an international concept.
What you mean is "real socialist estates". And there are a lot of factors that made them fail, also including capitalists interventions.
>it was not true Communism
What about china? Economically it's pretty successful...
And what about Vietnam?
| >>364237
Unfortunately "social democracy" was just a compromise between capitalism and socialism, to make capitalism more humane. Now since the communist block broke down, also social democracy becomes weaker and capitalism provides us crisis after crisis, followed by right-winged douchebags that come with ideologies that everyone thought they would never get back in power after 1945.
| >>364240
Yugoslavia did not simply "blew up". It was destroyed on purpose by the west. Yugoslavia was much better than the shit that is there now.
| >>364240
So you finally admit, that not everything that is labeled with "communism" is communism? Didn't you just complain about
>it was not true Communism
?
| >>364242
USA vs. China is a race to achieve dystopia with Huxleys "Brave new World" vs. Orwells "1984" as templates.
| And of course we can't have a thread mentioning conservatism or something conservatives care about without it becoming a dry tedious argument having neither point nor end.
| >>364281
Yugoslavia was doomed without Tito to hold it together, revolutionary Balkan nationalism has been destabilizing empires for more than a century. See for example Serbia & Franz Ferdinand.
| You say that like cyberpunk is some uniquely liberal hobby. I doubt anyone except the very rich actually want to live in that kind of world, despite what you may assume of us.
| >>364289
I believe it comes down to a matter of fundamentally different values. Someone who believes equality is an inherently good thing & someone who does not are not going to be able to settle their differences over 500 char forum posts. It's more likely one or both parties will fail to grasp the difference in premises, causing the other's perspective to seem incomprehensible or obviously mistaken to them.
| I don't mean to imply that a difference of view on equality is the key divide between conservatives & other ideologies, just to provide an example of what might cause confusion.
| >>364573
One person cannot not hold a country together. It was more than only the absence of Tito. It was also because the soviet union as a socialist role model broke down and the west just wants to see any kind of socialism on the ground, even if it's better than what comes instead. They showed it many times during cold war, and they did it also in yugoslavia. The balkan nationalism is a bourgeois/capitalist/western phenomenon that only can be destroyed with socialism.
| I actually find this as one of the better /news/ threads, even despite some of the misinformation.
| >>364586
>Someone who believes equality is an inherently good thing & someone who does not
The question is what kind of equality. Equality of chances?
Equality in the eyes of the law (human rights)?
Economic equality (what socialists/ communists are often blamed to want, which is bullshit)?
| >>364592
It's a hell of a lot of hard work holding together a nation of different ethnic groups, let alone eight ethnic groups with, with none very dominant, who all hate each other enough to produce the Yugoslav Wars. The fellow at the top has to make good use of the loyalty of other powerful figures, sheer fear & force, cult of personality, anything he's able to. Tito was quite good at it, while none of his successors could suppress Serbian nationalism.
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| 4000iq type shit honestly