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Gender is a spectrum
| you aren't wrong. now, do you wanna cuddle or something? I am bored
| Mentally yea sure but not physical
| >>336282 Physically too. Have you ever heard of Turner's Syndrome? How about intersex people? Other species can even change sex part way through life or reproduce all by themselves.
| Gender is treated retardedly because sex is never out in the formula and how it affects gender. At the end of the day male/female is very different biologically and the Tumblr-tier gender shit undermines potential mental and genetic defects.
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| Gender is a social construct. It depends on how others see you, not how you see yourself, or how you wish to be seen.
| Thinking gender is a social construct is a social construct.
| >>336334 that's the shittiest thing you can ever say to a trans person
fuck this mogai tumblr shit seriously
| Yall don't seem to get that Gender = identity and that Sex = Physical bits. Yes ofc gender is a spectrum, but sex often is limited to 3 sexes (male,female,intersex).
| I feel like most people who bitch about social constructs don't actually know the social construct is.
| >>336489
Gender and sex are the same thing, your liberal pseudoscientific babble will one day be merely a joke that actual scientists tell each other. Fuck you people for so corrupting the English language.
| >>336672 fuck off chum, sex is biological and gender is social that's accepted fact. Do you even attented higher education like college or something?
| There's something I've never understood but how is gender any different than just basic "personality traits"?
Whatever happened to removing the idea of binary identification? There is literally no reason "gender" should even be relevant to identity unless all you identify with is an object to fuck.
| >>336821
Continued:
The way most people seem to identify it feels like:
If I like wearing dresses and the colour pink despite being a guy, my "gender" is identified as a girl
And honestly this is no different than the social constructs of gender/sex that you guys have been criticizing all these years.
| >>336821 >>336822
Cont.
Why can't it be that the guy wants to identify with feeling "pretty" or "beautiful"? Or on the other side, why can't a girl who's wearing pants and cut her hair short be identified as "tough" and "rebellious" instead of just calling her a dude?
The example given above about other animals also makes no sense, cuz it's still only in context to what is being perceived as socially acceptable mentality instead of just looking at what is happening objectively
| And thus the attack helicopter was born
| >>336824 ...nobody says people can't do either of those things. a girl wearing frilly pink dresses can still be tough and rebellious. guys can like pink and wear dresses, nobody says they have to identify as a woman. the personality traits you listed have nothing to do with gender
| >>336893 also I'm pretty sure>>830a0a believes personality traits have nothing to do with gender because they were saying gender is overall irrelevant.
| >>336894 saying gender is made up by society is real fuckin harmful when you've been struggling with your identity for years
| maybe i misunderstood >>830a0a's post, but they came off as saying that gender = personality traits
| Guys instead of arguing here, we need to build technology that can make it possible for men to get pregnant and give birth
| >>336913 why are you putting trans in question marks? it's iffy as hell
anyways, for me it trivializes every bout of dysphoria i've ever had. people are born with an innate sense of gender identity, as i've felt like i was born "wrong" since i was a toddler. society doesn't have as much of an impression on you at that age at all.
| in finnish gender and sex are the same word (sukupuoli)
| He pisses me off so much that whenever gender comes up people have to run their god damn mouth about how there's only two genders and gender and sex are the same thing. IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU IF PEOPLE THINK THERES 1 OR 1000 GENDERS. JUST POLITELY DISAGREE AND FUCKING LEAVE TRANS PEOPLE ALONE.
Could you imagine if every time you wanted to drink a soda it turned into a violent argument about whether it's soda or pop, and people wanted to kill you because you call it a soft drink?
| >>336919 first of all "quotation marks" because i dont think we have the same definition of "trans".
how is someone born with an innate sense of "gender identity" and what is gender identity? wouldn't sexual identity be a better word?
| >>336942
>how is someone born with an innate sense of "gender identity"
it's completely subconscious. you can't control it, just as you're born liking girls or boys or both.
>what is gender identity? wouldn't sexual identity be a better word?
gender identity is what you call yourself, plain and simple. it's whether or not you consider yourself a "boy" or a "girl", again on a subconcious level. and no, because your sex =/= your gender.
what's your definition of trans exactly?
| >>336954
There is no gay gene. It is not genetic, so it must be environmental. Probably helped along by sociopathic teachers tellings kids they can be any gender and have sex with anything they want. People on here are such illiterate morons.
| >>336956 shut the fuck up and let them help me understand if im trans or not.
>>336954 however i do agree with>>37c7ce that sexuality is not something you're born with and i guess that's where my "gender is a social construct" opinion stems from. i mean transexual instead of transgender because sexuality is what your parents give you and gender is what society gives you (again, because i feel that one develops sexuality AFTER birth). we agree that gender ≠ sex
| >>336893
But that's exactly what people advocate when it comes to gender.
It's like >>336895 says, I don't understand the purpose of using gender as a synonymous word for personality when personality is the word people used for ages. Not knowing your own identity is extremely common in literally everybody because it's hard to understand and define who you are in order to fulfill and progress your position you want in the future.
| >>336987
Where I get confused is when people string so closely to gender as a means of their identity. To me, if one focuses on the sensuality, that should be where the conversation ends. I'm not going to justify the fact I like decks pounding me instead of pounding somebody with a dick by associating it to mean I am female. That just makes things linear, binary, and inherently is offensive and worse for society.
| >>336976 i'm not sure how sexuality is given by your parents? both of mine are straight, but i've liked girls and boys since my first crushes. it was never something i thought about, so how is it a choice? i'm not saying there's a "gene" either. there's no straight gene, but people don't choose to be straight.
transexual doesn't refer to sexuality, it's usually for trans people who have gone through with surgery
| >>336988 God, yes, preach. At the end of the day I don't want anyone to see me as transgender, cis, straight, homo, woman, man, black, white, fucking American or French. A label is nothing compared to the actual substance of a being.
| >>336988 i get where you're coming from and i agree that it shouldn't be as important to society as it is. it's a small part of one's identity, but still a part, and really at the end of the day it shouldn't be anyone's business but yours.
| Exactly! There was a movement of a similar mentality around 2010 before this whole "gender" discussion came up and honestly I feel disappointed it was replaced by the same shit we were fighting against before. The identity if a person is inherent to that individual person, as a person they have the right to be organically male, fuck men, and wear dresses and still act like a meathead who's super into sports.
| >>336994
And I understand that, that's why I mentioned the whole gender thing is bad for the perception of society. If society can accept me being a male but behaving in ways that are """objectively""" female, then there shouldn't be a question as to what it is. It's giving the idea of male more flexibility and real representation of equality than just giving it up and uncomfortably call myself a female.
| >>336998 i get you now and i wholeheartedly agree. i just misunderstood your original post, sorry for any confusion
| >>336998
Cont.
I should be comfortable with calling myself a male and not behaving like the stereotypical male of past generations. It allows society a more universal generalization of men and women, and thus encourages more identity via the individual and what their sexuality is. It can be encouraged for people to look for something romantically/sexually/etc when it's all treated equally
| It's as >>336990 says. I don't want people to perceive me as w/e, I want to be me. Looking cute is just part of who I am as an individual, not my entire being. If I just focus solely on my sexuality, then it just makes me look shallow. Personal identity in its entirety is much better than the opposite.
| It a step back when I say my (trans)girlfriend because then that means that they're changing to fit into the bigoted "norm" of current society than paving a way for a more accepting general society. Where people embrace what's given to them and do whatever they want anyway without some obligatory label. It's a person with person relationship, I'm not gonna try to fit into society by saying I'm a girl because then I'll look like a slave to the binary
| >>336988
Also my bad, sensuality=sexuality and decks=dicks. Unfortunately I'm ashamed to say I'm a dirty >phoneposter
>>336999
It's no problem, I'll be the first to admit I'm not very eloquent when it comes to explanations. I'm just happy you humored me since I've been more confused by all this than be vehemently against it. So I felt like maybe I was in the wrong or something so I just wanted to clear up my stance on it
| Yes good goyim gender is a social construct. Neuter yourselves and spread the progressive dise- er.. values
| >>337270 yes, society's views aren't changing as they naturally do over time with every society, it's the jews
| >>337399
"Society's views" amounting to people mutilating their genetailia because they are under the assumption that they were born as the wrong gendar. Yes, surely this is a normal change in society that wasn't massively pushed by those in power. Totally natural.
| All transexuals are being controlled by the government!
| Gender is an argument. Meanwhile, kids are starving, and trannies can't even lactate to save them.
| Gender is a personal problem, quit bitching about what bathroom you can use while people are starving you snowflakes.
| Fact: if you are born with a penis you will never be a real women deal with it. You can feel like one and nobody has the right to judge for it. However the fact remains the same and once you understand this fact fully you can be happy with yourselve
| IQ is a spectrum and trannies are at the lower end.
| Why is this in politics?
| >>337618 >>337816
bait.
>People wanting to change their gender aren't taking food from begagrs your fucking idiot, they just aren't comfortable with their gender.
>iq can't actually predict how smart you are, due that intelligence is too vetoed and not everyone is intelligent to everything, like you might have a average is but your social skills are less than a fucking baby.
| >>337657 >>337753
>Starving again? They are completely unrelated
>With the magic of medical sciences anyone can look like a woman and since you idiot woudnt see the difference then what does it matter if they were born with a dick
| like autism
| what's goin on in this here thread
| Mentally ill people want others to pretend-play their game with them.
| >>336257
Lmao no,sex and gender are the same thing but raging faggots separate them so that they can justify their lunacy
| >>339997 Can you not make damning judgments of trans people just because they don't conform to your world view? Kthxbai.
| My only real issue with the whole gender debte is that the "progressive" side hasn't really put together very coherent reasonable demands. I really dont care too much about it as long as it doenst get too annoying (like legal restrictions on pronoun use). I just want this whole thing to be over I'm sick and tired of all this fuss. I really dont care what they call themselves, just let me live my life, make your demands, lets agree, shut up, and move on to other things.
| >>340220 coherent reasonable demands:
1. Treat trans people like people. 2. Don't kill people because you think their gender is gross.
3. Don't bully people people because you disagree with their perspective on gender.
That's basically all trans rights activists want. If someone wants to be called shirley, just call them shirley and keep the mean comments to yourself.
| Mmkay there are just two genders. That's it. Just wish lgbt and freak friends didn't try to stand out from normal people.
| We should ban all trannies that don't like traps, they're useless
| >>340349 agreed. how many times I been called deregotary words just because I used word "trap" in a positive way to trans person
| >>340373 if you get called derogatory words for saying it then maybe trans people don't see it as positive..m
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