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Socialism will win
| What Democratic-Socialism?
Yeah.
| I don't care what system wins if I still have to work 8 hours a day then slowly die retired
| Regardless of what political or economical system exists, suffering will happen. Get your head out of the clouds and acknowledge that.
| I would rather say:
Either socialism wins or humanity looses.
As a socialist I'm not too optimistic. Current social and political issues are pretty similar to earlier times. But this time humanity already has an overkill potential (nuclear weapons) and is extending it on many other fields ("AI" and genetic research).
Most people can't even imagine what's going on. It's as big fat crisis of consciousness. The social-economic bomb called "capitalism" is ticking.
| >>17095d agree, doesnt mean we shouldnt strive to be better.
Or be content with austerity, but even in the most idealised society there's gonna be people who stack low. Even in a star trek utopia.
But I will say that the cyberpunk dystopia is looking more likely in the long run.
| >>330756
Yeah except the media. The major technology companies. Hollywood. A significant portion of the voting base.
Keep thinking you are some radical fighting for an oppressed minority though, whatever lies you need to sleep at night.
| >>330882
Republicans hold the house of rep, congress, and the white house. Plus media news, as well as local representative government. Hokywood doesn't mean shit when fascists and right wing asshats are the ones with their hands in the lawmaking
| >>330882
They aren't not left, they're liberal, while the advancement of social rights, like of LGBTQ+ acceptance is left socially, economically the American "left" is Centrist.
| >>330882 >>330904 Hollywood has been under huge losses and decline for many years. Many of the wealthiest people are also left leaning.
| >>327040 idk, the Swedish Socialist Workers Party (Social Democrats) seemed to have gone into damage control mode after staining the name of feminism since the apparently slow rise in popularity of Sweden Democrats.
https://theconversation.com/snap-election-in-sweden-proves-power-of-anti-immigration-party-35050
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-politics-poll/support-for-anti-immigration-sweden-democrats-surges-ahead-of-september-election-idUSKCN1J117P
| wait, i have the same ID as OP, what?
| >>38815c
As someone who lives in an ex-socialist country, I hope you do get socialism and suffer every second of it.
| immortal science of Marxism-Leninism will bring us forward!
| >>332590 There's a lot of posters from ex commie countries on Dangeru. Including people from Ex Yugoslavia, from Poland, from Hungary and of course many Russians.
| Honestly autoritarianism has no place in socialism nor communism. It should be about workers co-opting projects and production between one another in a horizontal distribution of power. Putting a hierarchy usually encourages the opposite of what socialism is supposed to do.
| I don't think so. Because I'm living in a post-USSR country and the USSR's proved for me that socialism is not working. But, of course, there's always an exception. For example, Norway can be called an cap-socialistic country like other Scandinavian countries. Now Norvway is country with the highest Human Development Index(HDI 2016). Also, Norway is country with the highest place in the rating of quality of life. Strange things happens in the life...
| >>332976 In my opinion, autoritarianism and socialism are "twins" a like. It'experience of my country.
| Did that socialism do benefit to the worker? Bc if it didn't and only strengthened the authority of the state, it was just authoritarianism. From the way i see it they are actually opposing ideologies. I see socialism and communism as near strictly anarchist ideologies.
| >>332982
Well, and in my opinion capitalism on its own leads straight into nazism/fascism/imperialism on the long term.
Just watch what ex-soviet contrys have become: corrupt autoritarian societies, dominated by oligarchs and nazists/fascists. Good job capitalism! (I admit the soviet Union failed, but there were some good approaches. Today it's like conservatives want just to keep or restore the bad stuff under their banner)
| >>333155 the politicians and oligarchs are all ex Party members. I'm just putting it out there.
And no, that's a phallacy. What happened to Germany was that it had a hyperinflasion and a second economical crisis happening, all while having big reparations and a Liberal government no one was prepared for. Read on some history.
| >>333247
>the politicians and oligarchs are all ex Party members. I'm just putting it out there.
Well that just shows how much the soviet-socialism failed. They were nothin but estate-capitalists. No democracy, no real councils (soviets). It was all a big label vertigo that was overtaken by todays capitalists.
>What happened to Germany
I now pretty good what happened in germany. I graduated about this topic. There was no "liberal" government in Weimar. It was nat-cons and soc-dems.
| >>333247
>Liberal government
Are you from the US? Because if so, then "SPOILER ALERT" your definition of "liberal" is horribly WRONG!
>it had a hyperinflasion
as a result of austerity policy
>and a second economical crisis happening
which was the reason for the austerity. The reason for the economical crisis was that the market was overstaturated after the "golden 20s". It was a regular capitalist crisis.
>all while having big reparations
This was just the tip of the iceberg.
| >>333334
This is the typical lie of some of todays conservatives and right-wingers: "Socialism was shit, but Stalinism was great". That's what I call historical revisionism. The only thing that "worked" in stalinism were the few revolutionary achievements he left untouched.
When Stalin proclaimed "socialism in one country" and even allied with nazi-germany it was obvious to everyone what kind of guy put himself to the top there.
| >>333375 every socialist revolution in the world was Marxist-Leninist in character, ancoms never achieved anything.
| >>333377
Well at least china became independend from european and japanese colonialists, kuba became independent from the USA, russians get rid of monarchy, nobles and clerics (unfortunately last ones come back). Also the competition of systems made humanity achieve major accoplishments in science, technology and society. Currently everything runs down somehow. We just get old stinky wine in new fancy advertised bottles.
| >>333489
At the cost of millions of innocent lives. Wow. And Russian monarchy was pretty good to their people. Most didn't want to get rid of them.
| >>333593
>Russian monarchy was pretty good to their people.
Except let the starve, cencorship, oppression, sent them into pointless battles, getting ruled by a witchdoctor, labour camps, police estate, Siberian exile...
Did you believe those were ideas from Karl Marx?
| >>333593
Also, the revolution would have been less brutal and bloody if not half world would have supported the white counter-revolutionaries. (Who had many antisemites in their ranks)
| >>333913
Well, during lenins time there was civil war. >>333915
And then came stalinism to which I rephrase again my question:
>Do you think Stalin was inspired by Karl Marx (or even Lenin)?
Hint: His pseudo was "the red tsar" and alot of conservatives and nazists in russia have a positive perception of his reign.
And post Stalinist era? Starving people? Labour camps? Siberian exile? Witchdoctors?
Even censorship and police estate was reduced (+they are no strangers to capitalism)
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