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How about we put Israel in check?
| They have to be sanctioned for their genocide against the Palistinians. They've also fired many missiles at civilians in Syria and Pakistan, ocuppied a lot of territory that doesn't belong to them. Economical sanctions would be devastating for the kikes and would make them behave.
| >>324217 who's gonna do all that? If Trump can make concentration camps for the children's that the government take away from their family then I'm sure Israel can keep bullshiting their way around.
If you give them the land their claim the first thing they'll do is to kick the Palestine out, when they inevitable fail that they will treat them just how America treated black people pre Martin Luther King, or how gypsies are treated everywhere
| >>324237 the situation is not comparable. Look up the Palestinian population. Blacks and Gypsies had a syeady growth while the Palestinians were not given such opportunity. It's a necessity to break away from post WW2 narrative about criticizing Israel being anti semitic or fascist. These words have been overused and have lost actual meaning. If Europe and Asia sanction Israel and consecutively the US for pouring so much money into Israel, things will be okay.
| Why are there so many jew-haters on here? What did we ever do to you?
| >>324271 Israel's threatened Europe with missiles. Created a genocide of a whole civilization. Extorted massively money from the US. Are responsible for some of the richest and greediest people in the planet. Attacked many civilians in the Middle East.
Or if you're talking about Jews in general, you haven't really done anything. I just hate Israel.
| >>324271
>anyone critising Isreal hates Jews
Stop right there strawman.
We're not talking about Jews we're talking about the Zionist Genocidal Terror state Isreal. The government is the problem same reason I hate Saudi Arabia and not the saudis. They violate human rights and commit war crimes constantly with no repercussions. You need to stop shutting down every time someone points that out.
| >>324293
>>324318
Israel is a Jewish state though. If you hate Israel, you hate Jews because Jews run and support (financially) Israel. Israel is a democratic state, not a dictatorship. In the same way that calling Americans stupid for electing Trump, you are criticizing Jewish people for the policies of Israel, thus you are an antisemite.
| >>324431 Bullshit. Is it Jewish to threaten other countries with rockets or to actually fire said rockets at other countries? Is it Jewish to extort money from other nations and then say that it's their duty to do so? And I can question to what levels Israel is a democratic state based on how it enforces its political position with force. It reminds me more of countries like Russia, which are undemocratic. I don't want a cleansing of all Jewish people, just Israel's government.
| >>324431
Except it is in fact possible to criticize Trump without extending that criticism to Americans categorically. Just as it is usually the case that people criticizing Israel's government don't mean thereby to criticize Jews everywhere.
Frankly though, it's foolish to expect human rights abuses or violations of international law to be seriously penalized by nations not inconvenienced by them. Internationalism is already retreating in the face of 'We First' politics anyway.
| The neo-nazi dog whistling going on here is not what I expected to be honest. One holocaust is never enough for you people it seems.
| >>324630
>>324669
Come up with an actual argument.
Isreal shot a medic with snipers. War crime
Isreal shot journalists with snipers. War crime.
Isreal claimed conquest west Jureselem. War Crime thanks to Hitler doing it in WW2.
Isreal boxed in the west bank making it the Warsaw Ghetto essentially.
Isreal's illegal settlements.
Address these now or admit you have no leg to stand on.
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| >>324630 >>324669
Shoo shoo Israel. Address any of our arguments, trying to justify all the things that country's done. I haven't mentioned anything about Jews but about the Israeli government and what it's been doing for decades without questioning. But oy vey it's racist or fascist or whatever else in to dare say that Israel is doing fucked up.
| And oh look 3 hours later and they couldn't say anything but strawmans.
| Ooh, your ID looked like >>004771 . Sorry, right now my jaw is semi-dislocated so I can't focus as well.
| Is K
| You guys are as roco-brained as the ones who believe in "scientific racism". Trying to hide behind facts to justify your irrational hatred of Jews. Jews don't even come close to the kind of inhuman acts committed by whites in the past and yet you are all so eager to try to pin the target on the Jews instead of looking within.
| >>325109
Heres a new idea. What if all people are capable of demonic acts? Crazy I know. But the world sucks for the most part.
| >>325109
Deflection and strawman.
You admit you're in the wrong then refusal to address Isreals genocidal acts.
I condemn Saudi Arabia for assisting terrorism.
I condemn China for their violation of human rights
I condemn NK for obvious things
I condemn US for propping dictators so they have excuses for war.
I condemn South Africa for their Aparthied
I condemn Isreal for their attempts of Holocaust of the Palestinian people.
| >>325109
And again its not about the Jews. Its about acts committed by a government. Apartheid and Genocide. Isreal is committing both. There are Jews in Isreal who call out their acts. They usually are pushed to leave. You want an example of a Jew who called out Isreal for its acts Bernard Sanders. Stop calling everyone who disagrees with you an anti-semite. Because its intellectually dishonest and you know it. I don't care who it is, Its acts of evil and needs ended.
| >>325109
>in the past
If we're bringing up past how about Jews firebombing Christian churches during the Roman empire.
Human beings are capable of evil race doesn't have anything to do with it. So keep it to current events. Your deflection is shallow and strawmanning is disgusting.
| Here an Idea, one state solution with right of return and citizenship for the Palestinians.
| >>326055 and the ditching of the nationalist name Israel and the now politicized name Palestine for a more neutral name like Canaan or something like that.
| >>326058
Netanyahu's foundation is the identitarian zeal of the orthodox demographic, to accept such a compromise would be to slaughter his golden goose.
| >>326101 >>326098
If they don't want to negotiate force them to the table by supporting movements like BDS and/or electing politicians that supports said movements, if their aren't any throw your hat into the ring when it comes to party primaries or local elections, and finally do some grassroots organizing, that helps a fuck ton, especially in the U.S. where people have just tune-out politically.
| >>326140
Its still a messy situation. Its not like a South Korea /North Korea dispute. These guys have religious beliefs that are "making"them commit these crimes in honor of sky daddy. Its hard negotiating with people who dont feel guilt for their actions.
| >>326609
Maybe because (or at least believe) I have more realpolitik view of the world, as I frankly don't think religion matters.
The Palestinian struggle isn't as characterized by religiosity as say the Syrian or Libyan civil wars, that is due to it having controlled opposition in the form of Fatah and Hamas (Israel controls the flow of goods and external borders with Egypt), but also because the people don't want Islamism either, due mostly to Hamas' poor governance of Gaza.
| >>326695
Honestly, the Palestinians seem willing to accept an actual agreement, not subjugation, not aparthide, those however are the only way to guarantee Israel existing such as it does, meaning it is the nation-state for Jewish people.
To say that the Palestinians are equally to blame ignores the extreme power
| >>326729
Imbalance from the very beginning, with proto-Israeli Zionists being backed by the British and later committing a campaign of terror that forced 80% Arab population of Israel to flee to would become Palestine (circa 1948): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
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| Here's a crazy idea, how about Israel gets WHOLE territory it claims.
1. It will lose any and all claims (both rightful and imaginary) it has now.
2.It could be condemned for any use of force against Pakistani, because they will be Israeli citizens now.
3. It could be condemned for any aggression outside its borders as a violation of other countries' sovereignity.
4. It could be condemned for any detention of its citizens as a harsh apartheid.
An idea I hope to discuss.