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Why are so notably many US-americans dumb?
| >>320890
And maybe some of you did not knew it, but in Europe USA-Citizens have some kind of reputation for beeing naive, undereducated and somehow superficial while beeing proud of it in a very cringy way.
In other parts of the world the USA are hated for a lot of their interventions, supporting whacky dicators (including mass murderers) and even destroying democracies.
I mean: did you never heard of that and if yes, what are you thinking about it?
| USA people are actively fed false information from childhood to manipulate their opinions into something financially convenient. That's why people in the USA are so fucking dumb.
| Every nation has people that are foolish. Creating stereotypes seems quite low of you. For people supposedly against prejudice and wanting equity you have a lot of prejudice for nations. What was that? Nations don't exist and Nationalism is an imperialist product? Yet here I am witnessing how you are reaffirming national stereotypes. People like you are made of hate and are the lowest form of a human being, one with no egalitarian wishes so how do you call yourself a "Communist"?
| Ah, the Americans are soooooo dumb, ja. "Build a wall?" Such nonsense. What a bunch of dumb racist idiots. They should be like us Progressive Europeans™ and be for complete open borders and applying the law unevenly.
| B/c the american dream regards hard work and financial success more than it does self inprovement and the patience to understand.
| *improvement
| We interbred with blacks and Mexicans too much. It pulled down our average IQ. Let this be a warning, eurofaggot.
| It's not about dumb people, it's just European countries have less DC (default city) dwellers compared to America, so the possibility of accidentally asking difficult questions to an uneducated person is higher. Or maybe education isn't such big of a deal in America, unless you really want it
| >>320943
>Every nation has people that are foolish.
This is exactly what I wrote in the beginning:
>Im mean, dumb people exist everywhere, and they are always many.
With your stupid insults you just proof me right, like this racist scum:
>>320948 >>320976
or this typical deluded one:
>>320958
Yeah, it was hard work to destroy other cultures and countries for ressources or having the the "wrong" ideas about economy politics and independence. Resistance is furtile!?
| You're not coming off as very personable OP.
| >>321018 Keep repeating yourself that righteous friend. Go forth and battle for your ideas to destroy evil nations based on a stereotype while screaming humanitarian ideals.
| >>321018 Because one comment on an anonymous internet forum represents the general opinion of 300 million people.
| Also, gotta love how people bring up valid points/try to answer your question and you pass it off as "deluded". Going by your logic, all Europeans are high-and-mighty stubborn idiots based off of this one post.
| They're not and we've been influenced by media to believe they're all stupid. There was a time in which it was perfectly fine to think they were,but now that we have the Internet we can easily see for ourselves they're (mostly) decent people.
Also I don't think it's that weird for Americans to not know the nuances in the left wing because they've had just two dominant parties for a very long time and neither is all that lefty.
| >>321028
Yeah nice try to reverse facts.
>battle for your ideas to destroy evil nations based on a stereotype while screaming humanitarian ideals.
This is exactly for what people all over the world suspect/dislike or even hate the USA.
And by the way: I never said it is my personal opinion. I know that there are also smart and reasonable people in the USA. But it seems they lack of confidence, political power or even the will to really "change" things to the better.
| >>321060 You're putting forth stereotypes. I'll keep bringing up this point. If you're using words like racist, then it's pretty hypocritical to then start using stereotypes. The world isn't black and white you know.
| >>321041
It may suprise you, but beside the USA and europe there are many other regions and countries in the world. And yes, also in europe retarded douchebags become more and more a problem (again). But when it comes to foreign and social politics things are still more reasonable compared to the USA - a country that leads wars all over the world without a lot of its citizens not even knowing where the countries are that their government destroy (officially "liberate").
| >>321066
Yeah, the world isn't black and white, everything is gray, there is no good and evil, everything is relative, jing-jang, karma blablabla
And critizism is always stupid and ignorant just like racism, especally if it regards the USA. Of course.
Yeah, I think I give up and let you live in your blinded, selfish and patriotic bubble:
Your country is great (again?), everyone in the world loves you. You are the super best and to critize US politics is racist. Understood.
| >>321077 It feels more rude for you to speak for everyone in a given space and also to speak for a given space set on qualities you set to it. You're not critiquing any particular thing here. You're just calling Americans stupid. So yes, I will kindly tell you that you're putting up stereotypes.
You just did the same with Europe. In what way are you critiquing their policies if you're simply addressing a nation or people as "stupid"?
| >>321082
Well the election of presidents like George W. Bush and Donald Trump gives my stereotypes some evidence that goes over personal anecdotes.
The thing about democracy is, that it somehow represents the will or at least acceptance of a mass-basis in the country.
| I'm not proud of the U.S. by any means. It sucks ass here and a good amount of people feel the same. But good fucking christ I'm going to tear my hair out one by one if I see another one of these "why are Americans so dumb" posts
| >>321087 Most voters in both elections belonged to older generations. Hardly anyone other than old people voted in the 2016 elections.
| >>321089
Did you never ask yourself why this question is questioned so often?
Stereotypes are not only wrong for beeing stereotypes. Stereotypes are (over)simplifying things, which is neccesary to have an orientation in a complex world. Problems start if you rise these stereotypes into a closed, deterministic (pseudo)scientifical or religious world-view (like racism).
| >>321090
So you use demography as excuse for stupid and unresponsible decissions?
(Fun)facts:
- it was an american foreing-affair politician (kissinger?) who (analogous) said that if the unresponsible ppl of chile elect the wrong government, they deserve to get punished for it.
- The CIA overtrhew the elected govermnent and put in the fascist dictator pinochet, thousands ppl "disappeared".
- the operation had the same name of nazi germanys intervention in spain: "condor"
| >>321098
You may say again: Well, it was the old people and the past, now is everything shiny, bright and better. People are more responsible, interested in politics and reasonable.
But before you write this, make sure that you really believe it. Because I am very supspect if the younger generations are really honestly about their will to change. Just think about what is left of the hippie movement except commerce, commerce and commerce.
| >>321098 ...those were all actions of the government, not the people. Are you calling the people stupid for something they can't control?
>>321099 If you seriously think the younger generation isn't willing to change then that concretes the fact you've been spewing bullshit this whole thread
| >>321087 Except that argument is not applicable to the states. I'm going to have to continue telling you this but the US doesn't work on the basis of a majority vote, friend. In fact the Trump situation is a perfect example of the fact that the US system is not a majority based one, exactly because Hillary had the popularity vote, but not the electoral vote.
Your stereotypes are once more proven as not an argument to critique the US. You're simply calling people stupid.
| >>321111
Well at least we come to the point where you have to admit that your great democracy is not so great/somehow defect. You just accepted the propaganda-lie that donald trump and hillary clinton are really two alternatives to each other leading into diffrent directions. But in fact the only difference is, that one of them is an authentic asshole and the other one a hipocritical one.
Btw. a reminder that your govs foreign(=war) policy is justified with "bringing democracy".
| >>321111
Also you continue ignoring the facts that I never said that all people in the USA are dumb, just notably many and I was crizizing the influence of their dumbness on politics and pointing on the gap between how us cizizens think their country is majorly seen in the world and how it is actually really seen.
And your "answer" is just relativation and cheap excuses (demography is fault, trump only got ~45%) and insulting me ridiculously eg. for beeing "racist".
| >>321174
I mean, fuck if just 25% vote for trump or george w. bush and 30% for their democrat (pseudo-)"antagonists" than what about the fucking rest. During the iraq war there was a term in europe for the (us)american civil society that opposed the war as "silent majority"... Yeah, looking what happned in this war where it led to, they better had been a loud majority.
Movements such the "alt right" and the "silly left" are another proof for the organized dumbness in the USA.
| >>321110
>those were all actions of the government, not the people. Are you calling the people stupid for something they can't control?
If this is the case, than why don't the people get rid of this government they don't control? I mean at least that's why you are so proud of your stupid easy weapon laws: To owerthrow despotic/undemocratic rulers. It somehow did not happen over decades. How many time do you need? Do you need an even more wallstreetish or breitbartish president?
| My blood pressure's too high for this shit, I give up
| Lol don't y'all still have a queen? Like the fact u dudes still keep this idea of royalty kinda make you a complete fuckin joke?
| Actually I take back the complete joke comment, not trying to be a dick here. Still tho.. pot calling the kettle black or w/e
| The US isnt letting themselves get raped to death by immigrants. We have gun problems sure, but Id rather take a bullet than a dick anyday. Fuck off eurotrash
| >>320890
After seeing all those (((american-wingcuck-posters))) in other threads, I couldn't agree more.
| At the end of the day, everyone who is a human being just wants what's best for their fellow human beings, so we should focus on giving each other the best if we expect to get the best. We should focus on doing better instead of focusing on who already did the worst. It's in the fucking past. You cannot change the past, so just learn from it. Don't try to identify every person who ever says something idiotic, just try not to say something idiotic. Cause all that shit spreads.
| >>321278
Also don't forget the world will end one day and everything weve done up till now will be meaningless. Personal happiness surpasses all needs
| >>321292 Yes but if we band together with our self proclaimed "inteligence" we can terraform and get out of the solar system before the sun explodes. If we're all arguing about who is more racist, we definitely won't be going anywhere.
| >>321295
I agree with that sentiment. I remember as a kid wed always daydream about how wed have androids, space elevators or other scifi shit but instead we got fat feminists screaming about whatevers topical
| I think a lot of the problems of the US I see mirrored in China. The US is physically too big and local identities get erased by corporate interest. Any reasonable ideas on fixing it?
| >>321314
This is what i hate about anon message boards. When you meet someone as likeminded as you and you never get a chance to fully explore a friendship with them after the thread dies
| People all over the world are generally shitty, and the sooner you realise that, the happier you'll be in the long run.
| >>321066 You love the word 'stereotypes' a lot. But yes every place has very dumb people. And every place has very smart people. What is being discussed here though is average levels of dumbness, or smartness if you will. And yes, the average american is dumber than the average dweller in all other similarly developed countries. I have been to america and talking to random people in bars, supermarkets, offices, has you realise they ARE dumber than equivalents of anywhere in Europe.
| >>321371
I wouldn't say that theyre dumb per se. Its just lack of interest in things that matter. If you try to strike up a deep convo with the averagr american youll get a blank stare. If you bring that laurel/yanny bullshit theyll talk for hours. They just pour their intelligence in nonsense and thats the problem.
| >>321384 Yes I agree. And that is a big problem. Because they don't see it. Watching tv programs in america makes you cringe. The news are not so much news but interpretation of an event and the speakers firmly steering the 'moral of the story'. The sports comenters yell false excitement all the time.
It is like visiting a nation sized kindergarten where as you say people are either lazy to think, or have not been taught how to think for things more complex than frying eggs.
| >>321385
100%. Deep thoughts and questions usually scare people when it should be the other way round. Now im not saying people arent allowed to enjoy mainstream stuff but when thats ALL you enjoy youve pratically become a pawn. Youre basically pushing the agenda that dumbasses deserve more preservation than people who want to revolutionize our way of doing things
| >>320890
Lol, oh please OP do enlighten me as to which European country is considered the intelligent one.
| >>321388 True that. I read above somewhere about the 'silent majority' which instead should have been the 'vocal majority'. Engaging in complex conversations should not be scary but intellectually rewarding. You don't find that easily in america. The interesting topics of talk are the weather last week and for tomorrow, what is best to cook on sundays, how great the new colour of the fence was, and so on.
| >>321391 I am not op, but everywhere in Europe, from Denmark to Greece, Portugal to Poland, people are able to engage in much smarter chat than Philadelphia, Miami and Boston, where I have been. Maybe Nevada, Texas and California are different, but I am not too optimistic to be honest.
| >>321396
Not only are these convos rewarding intellectually but they also help in breaking down barriers. Ive become friends with people who I wouldve steered away from otherwise because they werent afriad to "go there". This is real progress. We learn what we have in common by speaking not by keeping our mouths shut and PRETENDING that everything is never going to get awkward once in a while.
| >>321193
See, this is exactly what I meant.
I mean it is just trolling but I'm afraid that many US citizens really believe such bullshit.
I saw evaluations that were about testing knowledge about geography, history and politics. And the results showed that there is a significant mass of us-americans that have absolutely no idea, leading by far in comparison.
And I'm a bit concerned that it'll become like that too in other countries. This trivial culture is spreading like cancer.
| >>321269
Also this is hardcore ignorant and twisted, thinking it comes from a country which population has it's origin from all over the world, destroying native cultures and abducting people as slaves.
The only ones who actually are going to rape Europe again are capitalists and their xenophobic-nationalists dogs spreading lies and opium to sedate upset people.
| But America don't have history like europe. WW I and II was in europe, Rome imperium was in europe, Christians wars was in europe. We know europeans countryes. But honestly we know where is utah? or about native americans, and indians reservations? honestly, me not. US have different culture, and history. They don't need know why is europe like how is. Same different is in asia. Different history and culture make stereotypes. They aren't dump just know different thinks than us.
| >>321740 I feel like Native Americans get the most shit. Know one bothers to learn about them. I almost feel like the Amish get the most shit too, but I think both groups could serve as an example of the many many many smaller and smaller and smaller groups we (we as in the "majority", not "all" people) just know nothing about. The great thing is, as human beings, as long as they aren't hurting us we can just respect the fact that we don't know their entire deal.
| >>321740
Well, humans are just humans after all. I don't understand why the whole world is so fanatically focused on the differences, as there are pretty much similarities in history, which sometimes repeats itself over time and cultures. Sometimes just the names are different but the structures can be pretty much the same.
In Japan students seem to learn also much about ancient greek history, and I think it's a good thing.
| Like you said op, stupid people exist all around the world but I think that we seem to get the impression that Americans are dumb because the “spotlight” is always on them, and the stupid shit that dumb people do always get more attention.
| If another country had the same “spotlight” that America has you would also think that those people are stupid
| When it comes to the political sphere Americans are given an education to turn either into liberals or conservative political, as social studies classes often don't teach how much the Labor movement actually did for the U.S.
History classes are often garbage too, as they downplay things slavery in the south or teach that manifest destiny as was inevitable, but sad for the Native Americans (and Mexico if especially Liberal), and not calling it what was/is genocide.
| According to the United Nations Human Development Index, the United States is ranked #8 in the Education Index category with 6 EU countries marginally higher (Australia is #1 and NZ is #3). So it seems like your assertion that Americans on average are dumber than most Europeans is just factually incorrect.
| >>322501
I suspect the education index has the same problem like the gross domestic product: It does not say much about the distribution of what is measured. So, of course in the USA are (still) world leading in science and arts, but consider three things:
1) It's not the average US-citizens achievment
2) The USA massively woo away people from other countries, offering them more (economical) possibilities
3) other countries catch up and/or the USA fall back
| >>322522
>>322501
also the index changed very fast, for example for less than a decade (from 2007 to 2015) the USA climbed from rank 20 to 8, whil cuba fell from rank 4 to 48.
So the education index of the HDI just says something about a generation, and it seems they can vary pretty much.
I really believe that the younger generation is smarter than the old ones. But they are demographically outnumbered.
| Also, political ideology is hardly so well defined and agreed on that one should criticize the often obscured differences between a handful of ideologies that share commin traits.
| That index means shit. I have spoken with americans and their knowledge about anything else that is not something related to their job, that knowledge is either zero or very strongly opinionated. Their curiosity about other fields of life is next to none. And it is not the fault of the individual but it is all social inertia.
| >>322835
Yes, there too much professional idiots. But a society also needs universal dilettantes. But this is not a specific USA-Problem anymore, since they export their culture including all its flaws. In Europe we call this "americanization".
The marketing sector is a good negative example, but also education. The angle-saxon bachelor-master studies are much worse than what some european countries had to give up for it.
| So to answer the question, the US has a uniquely brief history and a unique individualist culture, both of which essentially select for the poorest results of any given situation because every situation can be compartmentalized and thus exploited. For example how conservatives fight for the right to life for unborn babies, and literally no one else. Also, pretty much every issue is filtered through the lens of economics and profit.
| >>323446
>Fighting for unborn babies rights
The more often I read this line the more stupid it sounds to me.
Conservatives also think about how many angels fit on the tip of a needle.
They also could fight for unicorns rights.
| >>323572
It's infuriating because the political process is basically an exercise in who can be the least intellectually honest about the given issue. Then they can twist any philosophy to mean any crazy thing, and with Republicans it's dangerous because they then do that to destroy labor and deregulate the powerful and cripple social/public services...
| >>320892
It dumbfounds me that Europeans are actually surprised Americans are geopolitically naive when many would have to travel 500 miles to reach any other nation, & we don't really give a damn about Canada or Mexico.
| >>323446
Just to make this clear, Democrats are the same way. For example, ask anyone from Black Lives Matter what they think of modern slavery, since the trade today is predominantly in white & asiatic women, & why they don't campaign about that, & their answer will almost certainly be to the effect of "That's not as important." I've even heard "Well them white girls had it coming." & variations thereof (-_-)
| >>324574
You've heard that from Democrat politicians, or from people who support such candidates?
My understanding of black lives matter is that it's about being against police brutality targeted at blacks, not ...slavery. Not that I'm disagreeing, although Republicans are typically more brazen and craven in their manipulation than Democrats. Moreover, states with blue policies do better economically than states with red policies, Texas being the one exception (& thats changing)
| >>324574
Daily reminder that there are more white people in black lives matter than blacks. Also if you look around youll find that white women(SJWs) are more likely to scream out accusations of racism whereas most blacks have no problem having a conversation. I dont know whats going on over there in the states.
| >>324715
People, mostly attendees at protests. I live just a couple hours from St. Louis. It's about more than just police brutality though, it spills over into maltreatment of blacks (both very real & very much imagined) & racism in general, which inevitably ties back to segregation, Jim Crow & slavery.
I'd venture that blue states do better because the population centers that attract major corporations tend to be blue, but that's another subject altogether.
| >>324715
As an illustrative example, I read a story in the New Yorker by a Jewish reporter. He was in St. Louis, & stopped by a pharmacy. The Negro girl behind the counter tells him that his prescription isn't ready to be refilled yet, & he reacts poorly. "Can't you do something for me? Are you an employee here or a corporate slave?"
The girl snaps at him "I don't appreciate you talking to me about slavery like that, sir."
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| The Jew snorts at her & replies "I'll have you know I'm Jewish, my people were enslaved 3000 years before yours, now I'll talk about slavery however I please."
So as you can tell, those old issues are still quite charged & easily subsume a conversation, especially in Missouri.
But this also illustrates my earlier point; Americans on the whole are so focused on their own issues that they're oblivious or apathetic that someone else has it as bad as or worse than themselves.
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| >>324719
I don't mean that any particular race is more or less likely to be delusional, just that both sides of the aisle are seriously misguided. Or for that matter, just about anyone in the US who supports either major party for any reason other than negative partisanship.
| >>324751
If we could get a centrist with some integrity on a platform of moderating the radicalism & tribalism in government he'd probably be an ideal president for these times, imo. But frankly the worst part of it is that both parties are largely in thrall to their donors.
| >>324732
I don't think that anecdote illustrates anything in particular about Democrats and Republicans, frankly. The actual facts are that Democrats do champion things like civil rights pretty uniformly, while Republicans largely pick and choose based on what's expedient (eg the deficit, "law and order" except when they break the laws, abortions are bad until we need them,) it just goes on and on. I feel your anecdote is orthogonal to the point.
| >>324770
Democrats champion one point of a given cause. We need affirmative action to remedy all the wrongs inflicted on blacks, but nobody cares about the modern slaver in Arabia, Southeast Asia, Central America, etc. Nobody even considers it. It's criminal to tear 2000 immigrant children from their families, but the same happens to 200000 American children whose parents are incarcerated. They've lived separated from their parents for years, in fact many their entire childhood...
| A few sex scandals is intolerable, outrageous, but something like 1 in 6 girls & 1 in 9 boys are sexually abused in the home. Again, that only includeds sexual abuse. Does that make headlines, or inspire mass protests? Of course not. We don't see it, & frankly headlines about it would wear out & stop selling because the government just isn't capable of resolving it within the media's or the peoples' attention span. Everything that isn't sensational is simply beneath the radar.
| Of course, the contention is not that Republicans are any better, but I have nothing but scorn for those who say they strive for social justice & equality, & champion only the most visible & personally relevant causes whilst being blissfully unaware that what they see on NBC is barely the tip of the iceberg.
| >>324802
First, Democrats are noticably less incarceration-happy than Republicans, so that comparison just doesn't hold water.
And what does affirmative action in the US have to do with criminals overseas? Those are two entirely different facets of the topic of human rights, and even then Democrats have a more humanitarian record than Republicans. Democrats start less wars too.
| >>324911
The oppression of minorities simply can't be partitioned into what minorities we're talking about. Is it not hypocritical to devote one's efforts to advocating equality for one minority while ignoring the plights of others?
If one really cared about ameliorating the wrongs of slavery, which so many are so sensitive about, rather than the wrongs inflicted upon them, would it not be more sensible to campaign about countries that still practice de facto slavery?
| >>324911
Democrats, do indeed start less wars. Why, just look at how Obama backpedaled out of Syria, drawing lines in the sand the whole time. Or when he let Putin march into Crimea. That one had European diplomats describing relations w/ the US as "worthless."
| >>324948
It would not be more sensible, no; why would you think it was?
You're using the fact that no one is perfect to suggest that both sides are the same, and to do so is both reductionist and intellectually dishonest. You know what you're doing.
| >>324967
I do indeed. I'm saying that if someone honestly cared about human rights, rather than just their own rights, they would give a damn about people who have none, people whose lives are filled with suffering that they in their comfortable safe spaces have never known. Yet when I've spoken with protesters I've seldom detected a hint that they care very deeply at all about anything that doesn't afflict or at least affect them personally.
| That being the case, it seems to me, in my experience, that most folks who campaign for social justice do so mostly out of self interest, rather than out of goodwill. That in & of itself is perfectly fine of course, but spouting off lines about social justice & the greater good when acting for self interest is just hypocritical.
& that was my original point, that Democrats & Republicans are both afflicted with self defeating tunnel vision on social issues.
| You're again conflating protesters with politicians, though. I mean, if I was talking about protesters at all this time(I wasn't), democrat protesting is not even close to the kinds of Republican protesting you see. Republican protestors tend to uhh kill people. Democrat protestors occupy Wall Street. It's not even close. This isn't even touching the existential danger that is Republicans' stance on climate change.
Reductionism.
| >>324971
Also, you're comparing real people to your ideals. When you expect everyone to care about everyone else all the time and then just say everyone who doesn't do that has tunnel vision, you wind up describing everyone. It's just a facile misrepresentation of the facts.
| >>324567 Books you read from home. To learn history when you are a biologist or read the works of Zweig and/or Remarque and/or Dostoevsky while being an engineer or architect, does not require you to travel several hundreds of miles.
| Just watch a documentation from any other country than the USA and then watch an US-documentation and you'll realize that OP's question is justified.
Never saw such superficial disney-alike bullshit with countless superlatives like "awesome" and "great". The Term "Trumpland" is exactly what hits the spot. It was no acciden't, you just got the President you deserved and who represents your shitty dumb asshole-nation perfectly. Fuck the USA!
| >>325633 I think the real issue is that the media treats people like idiots in the US. There's a policy in entertainment where everything has to be "as simple as possible" in order to "fit with American society". You see this kinda stuff a lot with Japanese games that get censored to hell and shitty additions like memes being added to serious RPG's.
That being said, I don't see this as a problem from the American population itself and moreso its media.
| Every since Trump called haiti and other nations shitholes, i keep seeing more and more Non Americans refer to the US as the "true shithole". Im not a patriot but it feels weird. Like everyone and their mom is trying to come here. The same cant be said for other nations
| >>324999 The thread is about "Americans," in general, & my original post on this subject was in response to>>59ccb3 whom I got the sense was speaking about people in general, so no, I haven't been speaking about politicians. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
I do understand that I'm harshly idealistic in my judgment of people, but I'm afraid that's just how I always am.
| >>325178
Of course Americans could learn about the world if they tried, what I mean is that they feel there's no reason to. Europe is a world away, Canada is only peripherally relevant to the lives of the vast majority of Americans, & Mexico is deemed noteworthy exclusively for illegal immigrants & crime. Due to the US' geographical isolation & trademark American arrogance, nations that aren't world powers are simply beneath the awareness of typical Americans.
| >>32579 the thread is about people, sure, but I was specifically talking about politicians; you can't just lump black lives matter as all democrats, that's not how actual people operate.
And I'm not criticising your idealism, I'm criticizing the (il)logical leap you make from 1) the fact that no one lives up to your ideals to 2) Democrats and Republicans are equally apathetic to the issues.
You can be harshly idealistic all you want, but it's causing you to be blind to naunce.
| >>325793
the thread is about people, sure, but I was specifically talking about politicians; you can't just lump black lives matter as all democrats, that's not how actual people operate.
And I'm not criticising your idealism, I'm criticizing the (il)logical leap you make from 1) the fact that no one lives up to your ideals to 2) Democrats and Republicans are equally apathetic to the issues.
You can be harshly idealistic all you want, but it's causing you to be blind to naunce.
| If the US govt didn't continuously invade/bomb countries, especially in the middle east, I would try to defend my country's intelligence.
| >>325721
Most refugees flee to other third world countries. People that come to the USA, Europe or Australia are a minority. And yes, actually also people come to old Europe, which always was a socialist nightmare according to right-wingers/conservatives and libertarians in the USA.
People that flee to the west just want a piece of the cake which is build on the destructive and selfish foreign policy of this west.
| >>325993
Btw. I'm a teacher in Europe also schooling a lot of young african refugees that grew up in the toxic trash european countries dispose in their former homelands.
Others from the central and near east flew from regions where the west raised dictator after dictator, export armory like shit and/or support religious extremists. Where do you think is the origin of the Taliban, Al Kaida or Isis/Daish? You knew the story behind Saddam Hussein, who build him up and why?
| Alone the USA for their assholish foreign policy deserved to drown in refugee streams. The USA did not handle their power, their economic potential and technological advance in a constructive way over decades.
Only empty promises of "liberty" and "freedom", which in the end only is the liberty and freedom of the economic strong to rule over and opress the economic weak.
| >>325841
Of course activists don't represent the entire Democratic Party, I cited them because I though it would be easier to convey my point. Alas, it seems I was mistaken. There are of course some who genuinely care about issues which don't immediately pertain to them, but when I consider that many Republicans see religious issues as social ones, it seems to me than those relative few are fairly symmetrically distributed.
Though in the end I can only speak for my experience.
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| Im mean, dumb people exist everywhere, and they are always many. But it seems regarding the USA there is a big fat gap between peoples selfperception ("we are the good/better/best/greatest") and reality (you actually suck ass in countless ways and are massively - and not always unreasoned - suspected up to hated in the rest of the world).
btw:That I just read the 100th thread where ppl didn't know how to distinguish between liberalism, leftism and communism/socialism triggered it.