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Fixing the Left
| and I personally think that both left and right have bad people
| >>319186
Not to be a dick or anything but leftypol is unbearably unfunny. What I want to know is how can we bring people to side when cringu sjws keep drowning out the cool levelheaded ones. Both sides have trash but both sides have cool ppl, yet we only see one consistent side of the left
| A lot proponent of "fixing the left" are generally centrist who thought they more left then actually were or are Chuds are trying to look like they are reaching across the aisle, this thread is no different.
| Most popular politicians are on the left.
/end thread.
This will also not accomplish anything.
/double end thread
| >>319181
>the Left has smelly communists, who scream racist and sexist at every turn, turning many off.
You (and some others ITT) are probably talking about the liberals, which by the way, are not leftists. And calling them (liberal politicians and supporters) communists will probably offend actual communists more.
| >>319181
Also a large number of actual leftists are againts the presence of identity politics. Try to fix your ignorance by actually reading leftists literature. Or at least try lurking on /leftypol/.
| >>319303
This is wrong in that I and similar Ancom care about social policy and aren't strictly materialist.
| >>319322
That's why it's said "a large number". There is still pro and contra towards idpol in the left itself. Some may argue that class revolution should be prioritised and vice versa.
| well it aint news....
| >>319181
You confuse "(left-)liberals" with "communists". Most people agree that sexism and racism are bad things. But communists see it as a result of the capitalist system, they want to overcome in the first place. The bourgeoisie destroys the class consciousness of proletarians with identity politics, which is traditionally a right-winger thing (racism, sexism, nationalism, religious fundamentalism). The (left-)liberals a.k.a. the silly left put identity politics over class...
| >>319612
...struggle, and think they somehow can tame or humanize capitalism with women rights, gay rights, open borders and anti-racism. They mostly belong to the lower bourgeoisie and have no idea about capitalism critique, the proletariat or real labour. They don't see the underlying economical basis for the superstructural phenomenons they are fighting for or against.
To fix the left, it needs a class conscientious proletariat and a bridge to the lower bourgeoisie.
| >>319617
If the (silly) left continues to focus their fight primarily on identity politics, they'll loose to the right, that can offer an easy worldview with fast-food identities based on simple stereotypes to the people. Capitalism is a pyramid system, where the most people are undereducated and doing simple jobs (always threatened by growing population and automation). They are the perfect victims for right-wingers identity politics. The left won't win on this battleground...
| >>319618
...without offering an non-bourgeois, non-racist, not-sexist, non-nationalist, non-religious, non-urban-hipster identity to these proletarians. This identity is class identity, the master identity, to rule them all. Trade unions and labour councils must be strengthened - something most young urban hipster leftists don't even know what it is. They order their stuff at Amazon, like start-ups, think their boss is their friend and are used to time limited employment.
| >>319620
Not to forget, they travel around the world out of their parents wallet, and have an general educational advantage over the real proletariat. But they don't understand that they need to get in touch with the proletariat to change things. Instead they suck the capitals dick and indirectly support the far-right by putting identity politics (superstructure) over social-, economic- and also foreign-politics (basis) in the general public discourse. They'll loose that way.
| So, if I understand it correctly, the money must first flow back into the economic system from the rich and super-rich who create stagnant money lakes, metaphorically speaking. And from there introduce a base income for every citizen, making education and health care a right and not a privilege, so on and so forth. Or have I a knot in my brain?
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| I like the Left cause of their idealogies but I feel people lean more towards the right cause the Right has cooler representatives whereas the Left has smelly communists, who scream racist and sexist at every turn, turning many off. What advice should we give them to be less lame and win more followers?