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commie shitpost №194
| So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The internationale
Unites the world in song
So comrades come rally
For this is the time and place
The international ideal
Unites the human race
| Let no one build walls to divide us
Walls of hatred nor walls of stone
Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
We'll live together or we'll die alone
In our world poisoned by exploitation
Those who have taken now they must give
And end the vanity of nations
We've but one earth on which to live
| And so begins the final drama
In the streets and in the fields
We stand unbowed before their armor
We defy their guns and shields
When we fight provoked by their aggression
Let us be inspired by like and love
For though they offer us concessions
Change will not come from above
| Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there.
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J. H. Blair.
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
My dady was a miner,
And I'm a miner's son,
He'll be with you fellow workers
Until this battle's won.
| Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Oh workers can you stand it?
Oh tell me how you can?
Will you be a lousy scab
Or will you be a man?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Come all you good workers,
Good news to you I'll tell
Of how the good old union
Has come in here to dwell.
| Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
| ...Freakin Communist
| Beer only for party members.
- a commie sign commonly seen in the commie states.
| Mexican American here, team Trump.
Build the wall. A good commie is a dead commie.
| We drove your failing regine out of our country during world war 2. Still your ghost looms over us like vulture.
We stay strong and united against you still.
Hakkaa päälle suomen kansa!
| >>305451 >>305454 That's why all the commie regimes are still standing. Good meme friend. Except the only 2 countries I see still embracing this being Cuba and NK.
| >>305460
I mean I'm an Anarchist as referenced by "team Kropotkin" above so in my mind the Stalinism regimes that followed WWII weren't communist (by Anarchist standards at least), anyway we were talking about the continuation war and how Finnish lost it though.
| >>305479 Considering Finland wasn't destroyed I'd still call it a victory. All things considered, the Finns were up against some pretty bad odds but they did not end up like Central or Eastern Europe.
| >>305489
Considering that Finland went in knowing it would be a loss and as well as a possible result of puppetry or dismantlement and still did it anyway shows stupidity on the part of the Finns, the loss of Petsamo, the relegaliztion of the Finnish communist party, etc. showed Finland no longer had an independent foreign policy outside of neutrality post-1944, as anything else would mean invasion and dismantlement.
| >>305527 Their other choice would be to fall under Western policy doing much the same in removing "unwanted" elements and still people would get sued. Considering what the Finns were able to get away with, it could've been far worse. And in a way so did the Soviet Union get huge losses as there was a tremendous loss against the Finns due to the weather conditions. I'd say the damage was done to both sides.
| Communism makes me want to puke.
| Psss. *whisper* Communism is as bad as capitalism...
| I my mind if the Soviets wanted they could have invaded in 1945, and the Finns likely wouldn't be able to withstand such an offensive.
| It's hard to see hope in socialism, if you're used to give up hope in capitalism.
It's hard to see the humane in socialism, if you're used to endure the inhumane in capitalism.
It's hard to see a solution in socialism, if you're used to expect no solution in capitalism.
It's hard to see an answer in socialism, if you're used not to ask questions anymore in capitalism.
It's hard to see the future in socialism, if you're used to live in the past in capitalism.
| In the future lay
A communist paradise
Worker’s life so whole。
Karl and Rosa too
Worked so hard for common kin
Cause that’s not yet lost。
At the sound we rise
Workers triumphant, alive
Red banner flies high。
What the bourgeoisie
Therefore produces, above
All, are its own grave。
| >>306217 Anarchism is communist, and I say this as an anarcho-communist, unless you're an Egoist, mutualist, some weird agorist.
| Anarchism is nothing more than unrealistic dream, did you both read anything by Marx and Lenin?
>>306217
>>306303
| >>306330 So is Marxist and Leninist Communism and that's why they failed.
However anarchism does actually have a successful state in the form of Switzerland.
| >>306343
Lenin was pretty successful during his lifetime, and Marx Analysis on capitalism is mostly still valid and the problems remain unsolved.
In fact both, Marx and Lenin (who was no innocent lamb), were too optimistic about the bourgeois class and about proletarian revolution. They had no idea that socialism would be antagonized by madness in the scale of nazism and ruined by paranoid and twisted perversions like stalinism or the cambodian stonage-communism.
| >>306432 Successful? The mass starvation during the period? The lack of any real modernization in the majority of the lands (as the 'eletrification' could not apply en masse).
Also, Marx's work is extremely flawed in its own core. It assumes a classless society while saying that it'll be created through a Communist elite. In its own theory it creates a new class thus repeating the cycle it supposedly fights.
Global theories are bound by huge flaws like these.
| As Hoxhaist I believe that Soviet Union under Stalin was nearly perfect socialist state that was slowly building communism. We need more people like Stalin, Mao and Hoxha if we want to achieve a better world.
| >>306437 there were no classes in Soviet Union as everyone could have joined Communist party from a peasant to industrial worker
| >>306343
>Anarchism
>State
Pick one
In all seriousness you probably meant free region or territory, but even then holding referendums often isn't Anarchism, Anarchism is the abolition of unjust hierarchies like the state as it can't justify its existence.
>>f3e4e7
Most Anarchists read Marx, though I haven't yet (due to lack of time/ability to), however Anarchists don't bother with blanquism/vanguardism, so no I haven't read Lenin nor do I wish to.
| >>306442 bullshit. If you were considered a "class enemy" you could be expelled or exiled immediately from society. There's also the little thing you don't understand called vertical power structure, also specified in Lenin's own work. So that means the one abobe you can decide for those below.
| >>306440 I have a question what is unique about Hoxhaism that separates it from Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.
| >>306485 Hoxhaism is basically orthodox anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism that is specifically anti-Maoism (whether it be MLM, Maoism-Third Worldism, or Mao Tse-tung Thought).
| >>306437
Wait a moment, wasn't it starvation and the lack of technological advance caused by the tsarist regime, which bring it to fall and enabled socialist revolutionaries to take over power?
Facing the pointless killing in the great war, that also caused mass starvation and not only in russia, the socialists had some good arguments. Also most people gave a fuck about technological advance, as it's only intension was to increase the profits of the rich and mass-murder people.
| >>306437
>Also, Marx's work is extremely flawed in its own core. It assumes a classless society while saying that it'll be created through a Communist elite. In its own theory it creates a new class thus repeating the cycle it supposedly fights.
Global theories are bound by huge flaws like these.
I have to admit you partly hit a spot here, but it doesn't change the fact that marx's analysis and critique on capitalism is still valid and relevant.
| >>306437
>Global theories are bound by huge flaws like these.
You mistake "global" with "universal". Science is about to find out universal regularities. Marx was a scientist, and his (and engels) main work "The Capital" is in the first place a scientific analysis.
| >>306813 Karl Popper would see that as unscientific in its owm right. Marxism as a look onto specifics is much stronger than Marxism as a universal theory or as a political one.
| >>306852
>Marxism as a look onto specifics is much stronger than Marxism as a universal theory
Isn't it the purpose of universal theories to look onto specific things? I mean otherwise they would be pretty useless.
Funfact: Marx himself proclaimed once that he is no "marxist".
In the end theories are nothing but a plan to deal with reality. Those who followed marx's suggestions failed. There is a huge discussion why.
| >>307464
Was he interpreted wrong or are there massive failures in the theory itself? To be honest: I don't know. I just know that todays current reality is not dominated by marxists but by capitalists and it sucks. And I find that Marx at least partly had a explanation which is more plausible than any other explanations I heard/read.
I don't believe in god, I give a fuck about nationalities and ethnicities. I just want contribute something to humanity and get a fair loan for it.
| >>306687 okay I understand, so it was a reaction to the destalinization of the USSR, which is seen as moving away from Marxism-Leninism by Hoxhaists.
| >>307469 if you're looking at it from the pov of benefit, you've already lost in finding anything remotely universal. And no, typically a universal theory applies a set of concepts that it applies to everything, ignoring specifics in context. Structalist theory is a big criminal in that.
I wouldn't say capitalism is dominating now either. The collapse of the Socialist world plus the latest economical collapse have lead us to a time without any direction.
| >>307524
>I wouldn't say capitalism is dominating now either. The collapse of the Socialist world plus the latest economical collapse have lead us to a time without any direction.
I'm not sure where you live, but in my world there is clearly a direction. It's obvious that there is as accelerating transition from neoliberalism to nationalism, racism and nazism.
| >>307732 those aren't capitalist though. You can have these concepts in Socialism. Historically it's happened before. I live in Eastern Europe in a place where not a lot of Nationalism has happened since the 90s. I think the West + Russia, Poland and Hungary have more specific problems with this.
| imperialism is highest form of capitalism buddy. Nazi Germany wasn't socialist as libtards want you to believe. >>308208
btw I think you are confusing what socialism is. Socialism is a mode of production where the sole criterion for production is use-value and therefore the law of value no longer directs economic activity. The social relations of socialism are characterized by the working class effectively owning the means of production.
| >>308310 does not disprove my argument in the slightest. One of the most commonly used definitions for nationalism is a state applied story through a single history, language and religion (this time replaced by ideology). All of these were very strongly enforced in the Socialist world even with the aformentioned things.
Also, Nazi Germany is not capitalist in that it's priorities are not capital but racial and ethnic relations. Nazi Germany's economics program made jobs, not
| profit. Now if you mentioned Italy's system I would agree more but Nazism in particular, no. Although Italy is an oddball since it mixes Socialist policies in with everything.
| >>308312
>Also, Nazi Germany is not capitalist in that it's priorities are not capital but racial and ethnic relations.
Yeah, thats what the ministry of propaganda told the working masses to fool them. In fact these "racial and ethnic relations" were all an elitarian fantasy product.
| >>308312
>>308313
And you fell for another lie of the 3rd reichs propaganda:
>Nazi Germany's economics program made jobs, not profit.
No! The nazi germany eceonomics program was about building up military and infrastructure (for the military) to conquer and plunder east europe. And this is what they did, until they realized that the "slavic subhumans" with their "jewish-socialist" leaders are toughter than the propaganda told em. And also the fucking teabags and cowboys beat them.
| >>308312
>Nazi Germany's economics program made jobs, not profits.
Also a reminder that nazi germany was stood to their head in public debt before they invaded the soviet union.
Also let people dig their own graves may make jobs, but I doubt that this is what most people really want...
| But you yourself just mentioned that their policies don't have capital relations in them. The very focus on Nazi Germany's efforts was sought through ethnicity. The way they split the world was also through such categories.
And for >>309230 , that was exactly what the majority of the poor population wanted. They went through hyperinflation, making a lot of people wary to poverty. Simply put, they wanted a guarantee that they can work and live a calm life. Social policies were also
| >>309285 guaranteed for factory workers as well as giving people their own vehicles. The militarization did happen but it was mostly possible through the mass investments that the Western world did to Germany. Although the USSR was in a very similar situation when it comes to foreigners investing into it for new technologies or factories. But their military program was born thanks to WW2. Much like the US.
| >>309285
>>309291
Again:
>Let people dig their own graves may make jobs, but I doubt that this is what most people really want...
The nazi ideology was/is rotten from the core, just following one goal: total war, expansion and extinction or at least enslavement of all who stand in their way. If this is not pure capitalist bevahaviour, than I don't know.
After all jobs and social programmes did not help, as workers died in russian winter and later by allied bombardements.
| >>309317 These were things that came at a later time and were heavily influenced not just by Hitler but his generals. And no, since it's not related to property I don't see how you make the connection.
The conflict that Nazi Germany was seeking had a motive that's more unique. It's specific into the Fascist ideology in itself which is the focus of the bright past. Thus the actions taken are for the return towards that bright past.
| To paraphrase the idea. "Germany is the sole nation to inherent Great Rome. With its pure superior Aryan race it will advance scientifically and socially and return society back to its rightful previous ways. To do so all enemies to the Aryan race must be wiped out while the inferior races must directly be controlled, for they can only utilize the creations of the Aryans, not create them". This can all be found in Mein Kampf.
| >>309362
>These were things that came at a later time and were heavily influenced not just by Hitler but his generals.
Long before the nazists were in power, hitler was in jail writing a book witch described the "necessity" to attack eastern europe to conquer "Lebensraum", enslave and kill the slavic people and destroy socialism/communism.
The last thing was the main reason, why capitalists and conservatives all over the world supported or at least respected the nazists.
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For the tyrants fear your might
Don't cling so hard to your possessions
For you have nothing if you have no rights
Let racist ignorance be ended
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