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North and South Korea to end 65 year war
| north korea best korea
soon korea will be united against the US again
| Anyone here think Kim will really give up his nukes?
| Probably. South Korea is also apparently giving up their nukes.
| South Korea can't end war on its own with the North. It's the US that has to sign a peace treaty. The North may be a hell for pretty much people who live there, but in 1 point they are right: South Korea is an US-Vasal estate/military colonie and the US can't be trusted. Think about how the west trampled on the soviet union when gorbachev was offering them his hand. Don't get me wrong, fundamental (!) changes are necessary. But ppl should also be sceptical on "western" authorities.
| >>4355fa as a Westerner I can say we are pretty scummy.
However, at this point we all have bigger problems than the threat we pose, because now that north and south k are ending the war, political tensions are rising. After all, what happens after peace? They are still 2 conflicting countries with different governments and ideology's. Can conflict really be avoided for long? And don't even gimme started on the rest of the world lol
| >>262085
>because now that north and south k are ending the war
Again: The point is that South-Korea does not end any war on it's own. It's depended on the US-government.
| >>262085
>They are still 2 conflicting countries with different governments and ideology's.
Did ideology ever played a central role in the north/south conflict in Korea? Wasn't it just another geopolitical playground for the soviets and the US? I mean neither did the US bring democracy to the south (it was a dictatorship nearly to the end of cold war) nor is (or was) the north a communist/socialist system (after cold war they dropped any relation to communism from constitution).
| >>262296ahhh fair enough fair enough, but still you must wonder what will happen after a turning point like this, even IF it was US influenced. I mean, the point still stands that while north and south k citizens have been trying to unite, their politics are still opposing at the core. One can only wonder what would happen now that the US pushed for peace and succeeded, and what other 1st world powers will react with.
| >>262296 plus, Kim isn't exactly the most "stable" of rulers, though I'd say he's prolly done the least of most in recent history. He won't be a threat if his nukes are taken away, but anyone who is a little crazy and armed is dangerous in the book of world politics. Luckily he's not exactly ballsy so meh who knows. My curiosity is just exploding!
| I really wonder what went by in the meeting with the China president. It was after that that Kim suddenly decided to stop his nuclear program.
| >>262503
If their previous stance was any indication, China probably told him something along the lines of "either stop fucking around or we really will stop supporting your fat ass."
Anon above is only half right, however. It's not entirely the US's decision. Ultimately this is a decision that will be decided by both the US and China, who by proxy own and run South and North Korea respectively.
| >>262667
You are totally right, i forgot about China was taking place as patron for the North.
But this questions more if this is really a competition of two diffrent (economical) systems than a competition between the same (economical) system in diffrent (political) implementations. A mao picture on their bank notes and a "communist" party does not make china a communist country.
| >>262672
And so is north-korea no democracy, just because it's called "democratic peoples republic". It's not even a real republic, since the constitution is mostly about justifing a family dynastie, which is more like monarchy.
Same counts for communism/socialism, which is even officially removed from this constitution. It's just interesting that western Media still refers stubbornly refers to Northkorea as a "communist" country with an entire "diffrent system".
| It is about time the US stopped bullying the korean people, for 65 years now.
| Ugh we Americans really get a bad rap. Like, yeah I know our politics suck but so do everyone else's. Oh well, not like I'm making all the decisions, guess I'll have to see like the rest of us. Let's all hope ww3 doesn't start anytime soon yah?
| It probably is better if ww3 started as soon as possible. The targets would be the scummy great powers of today and I have nothing contrary to their mutual annihilation and becoming miserable, just like the places they have been fucking up for decades now.
| >>263251 They are. They elect the governments, it is the population where the individuals come from.
If the citizens know only how to point fingers and say "it is them not us" while financing the governments with their tax money, they are no better. Insofar their inactions and sheepness is what has brought the situation as it is, so yea, ww3 would clense the unneeded societal fat as well.
| Give Donald Trump a peace nobel prize
| Kick some ass, Trump! Great work so far!
i.k0
| >>263254 you know, that's awfully cult like of you. Especially since if you actually lived in America, then you would know that opinions are separated, and there are many party's. Not everyone makes a choice either, so maybe you should think about that before you declare that "societal cleansing" is a valid option. Not everyone is guilty,nor is everyone innocent. Declaring that put YOU one step closer to being no better than Mussolini or Hitler, but that's a whole other debate
| >>263254
>The targets would be the scummy great powers of today
>I have nothing contrary to their mutual annihilation and becoming miserable
you're even worse than the strawmen you're blaming, man. your proposed ww3 would fuck the whole world up, including wherever you live.
| Yea yea yea, the people are blameless, it is the leaders that slip away!
Modern society has become sheeple and parasitic. So to repeat, a fundamental cleansing is needed. Only a ww3 can solve this issue. The world is already fucked up by humanity's own incompetence. The moment has become ripe for a full, total, reset, to get out of this endless viscious cycle we have put ourselves in.
| >>264332 with every post you sound more and more like a terrorist from some anime. Seriously, a war always has it's reasons, no matter how stupid. But to think that a wars reasoning is for "cleansing" is the mindset that crusaders and even modern terrorist groups like isis have. Not only are you proposing a genocide, but you of all ppl shouldn't be commenting on world politics, but should instead stick to fantasizing about your fucked up desires.
| >>264332 and modern society becoming "sheeple" as you put it, is hypocritical. You yourself are making this point on some backwater anonymous app. So not only are you an idealist, but also a borderline psycopath, and believe in genocide. Plus you're proving all of this...on some random app. Nice work man
| So, how did a discussion on Koreans devolved into this bullshit?
| Chill people, let's simmer down here. Anyways, I'm more interested in what will happen next for both north and south Korea. Now that the war is 'over', people from both sides may get a chance to interact with one another
| It's all right. It is not me who will be the doom of all, but society itself. It will fail to stop what will happen because it is too fat and lazy to get up from the wheelchair.
As of the two Koreas, now that theoretically the war is over, the next step is for them to return to be one nation again.
| >>264662 now that I can agree with, but the issue will eventually be, which nation will retain it's political system. As mentioned above, they both kinda suck, but with how power hungry Kim is, there's a chance there might not be a peaceful resolution. Especially because even though peace is restored, tensions are still un-savory I can imagine
| >>264388 >>264391
>Claps
Best, most well deserved burn I've seen in /news/ in a long time. Good work g/u/rl.
Anyway; Even though we don't know where this peace will go, I think it can only be a good thing that North and South are finally ending their 65 year old stalemate.
| >>263254 >>264332 insha allah my brother, may allah nuke all the christian and jew county so that we can rise again
| >>8fe464 Yeah! I see you too want to play Fallout IN REAL LIFE!!! Toad Howard, where de fucking Fallout IRL?! It's goty stuff!!! But if to be serious, u are fapping on xenophobia and it's not cool. They are people too, if you don't know it. Ww3 will be the fastest and dullest war in history of humanity. You really want to see that melodramatic shit? (；￣Д￣) (；￣Д￣) (；￣Д￣) (；￣Д￣)
| fuck i hit send too early
| Libtards foaming at the mouth as soon as any mention of Trump's role in this achievement.
| >>265062 God in general and its allah version in particular has nothing to do with it. Nukes are neither produced nor dropped by prayers.
>>265373 it why ww3 will be efficient. The idea of wars being long and spectacular is a cancer of its own. Wars should be exactly like that, fast, dull, to the point.
| >>266360 lel wars wil never be fast and dull. people who dont want to fight in them will get forced to. people will protest, civilians will die, economies will crumble, resources will go to waste, families torn apart, etc etc
that and you'll probably pussy out once you get drafted lol
| So is it just called korea now?
| You guys should watch this https://youtu.be/PEoZLGHKvy8
| Anyone has any theory why the sudden change of heart? I think that either that was Kim's plan all along or something sudden happened and forced him change his tactic. Maybe some kind of coup behind the scenes?
| >>268325 North Korea's been doing very bad on food and the amount of sanctions due to Kim's nuclear program have been an increasing problem. Now there was the alleged earthquake that happened that destroyed their main nuclear facility. Perhaps this is a move to try and rebuild and also stabilize life in there as huge damage was done to the country these few years.
| Korea will fuck us all, biatch
| >>265062
Reminder Muhammad said the Christians and Jews were not enemies to allah (literally just god in arabic you fuck wit it has no special meaning)
Enjoy Hell
| Why is too much Islamists around here?
| I don't have problems with that but it's just weird. ＼(〇_ｏ)／
| >>266147
Therotically conservative is the opposite of liberal. In practice conservative parys give sugar to the far right in superstructure politics while beeing liberal on the economic basis.
Liberal parties practically arrange often with conservatives. They are not real liberal, as they stand for a social darwinist system (the right of the economical strongest) while sticking on neofeudal mechanisms like inheritance law.
Globally we have a neoliberal/neoconservative hegemony.
| All this talking about Kim being scared of this and that.
First of all, Kim Jong Un wants the same theatre for the DPRK his father did with Clinton in 90s. The "I've had the President of motherfucking America come here and sign a deal that we dictated".
Second, Kim and Moon talked about peace, they did and will do good honest looking gestures, but then South will not agree to get rid of American troops, because safety. And the US, not South, is the enemy in North's propaganda.
| Third, Kim has shittle power. The country is ruled by the Party and the Army officials. Kim purged those who opposed him with the help of those who support him. The whole propaganda shows him as the "champion of people", because that's how this circus works. But if little Kim does something against the will of the country's old brickhead officials, he might as well be replaced with a puppet imposter. Hr and his father had those.
DPRK will do anything to maintain status quo.
| >>269316
I just read the books of people i disagree with and dismantle them with their own words.
Since you seem to be a militant atheist reminder that goodbye is short for god be with you.
Also that you don't help atheism for being an evangelical
| Fourth, China is the only de facto ally of North Korea. And China also wants to maintain status quo - South Korea is an economic rival to them, and Beijing likes to maintain the asian border conflicts rather than solve them, as long as they have an upper hand (Kashmir, Spratly, Inner Mongolia, Ussuri). So they would rather have Kim and DPRK around.
| So what can be easily predicted is that North and South will exchange good vibes and gestures until Trump arrives, has a seat with Kim, they agree upon something, Kim expresses he is angry US still occupies the South, Trump doesnt give a turd, they agree upon sending food wares and fuels to North while weapons are dismantled.
Then suddenly North will say that Americans are provoking them with whatever, Kim reboots the nuclear project, China shakes their head, status quo is kept.
| It's actually probable that China will use this whole puppet play to show just how incompetent Trump and US in general are. Consider their current fight over trade tariffs. China could potentially step in and "find a way to finish the Korean conflict" right after US fails to do so for the fifth time since USSR's collapse.
So this last part is made up - it could happen and could give China tremendous power. It's pure fantasy.
The Kim part is exact scenario we've had 20 years ago.
| unified Korean would be nice though
| 676975 here.
Unified Korea is like having all-week-Sundays. Too counter-productive to be actually considered. Bringing North's economy on track would have tremendous cost. Nobody would pay for that.
| >>269319
They pretend to be the opposite of each other, yet they still fall in the literal same spectrum.
There is nothing "left" about the liberals. They are just two sides at the same coin.
| DRUMF DID NOTHING, TWO SCOOPS REEEEE
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