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Count Dankula fighting his sentence
| Hope he wins, but I dont know how likely that is to happen
| Hope he looses. Can't stand this guy that wastes so much tax money for his infantile guerilla marketing. He gets all the publicity he wanted with his bullshit because mainstream media and law are to dumb to realize that they became his bitch. Just think how easily G20-demonstrants got jailed. "Liberal Democracy" is in a crisis, and the only "allowed" controversial contribute to the debate is saying "gas the jews"? Well, history repeats it seems...
| I hope he wins, purely because it benefits free speech.
| The media gave him publicity because they're stupid, the sentence was stupid in the first place, wanting him to lose because everyone else acted in a retarded way isn't very logical.
| >>260028 My right to swing my fists ends at your chin. Similar principle applies here. My freedom to say whatever I want ends when I harm you with it in any way, shape, or form. Same goes for you and everyone, including Count Dankula.
| >>22f557 thats a nice idea but doesnt really work, does it ? For example I could simply claim that you saying anything at all somehow harms me (which is bullshit) but thats just how it is, which words are seen as harmfull is way too subjective
| >>260047 That's super subjective. If you punch me there's an obvious and measurable threat and you can cause permanent damage. Any words can hurt anyone. To avoid offending people you'd have to never say anything. I never thought I'd see the day people advocate for the loss of their own liberty.
| >>260051 Tell that anyone who was falsely accused and suffered the consequences because of it. Or even better, tell that anyone who is falsely accused and suffers because of it. I'm sure that's going to be a barrel of laughs. Same goes for anything that incites violence against someone (a specific person or a group of people) and hate speech. My freedom to do and say everything I want ends with your freedom to do and say anything you want and vice versa. That's the social contract.
| Teaching your pug to raise his paw is not the same as a false accusation, that's a complete false dichotomy.
| Cant believe some people is so weak they get hurt by mere words, ignoring somebody is not that hard, all these news where thin—skinned people had their feelings hurt makes me want to puke.
| >>260028
Actually it damages "free speech" if people use it to call for genocide to increase popularity.
I honestly think this guy needs at least a year forced labour (like many of this "youtuber" scum) in asian 3rd world country as a measurement of education.
| >>260084 The problem isn't that he taught he pug to raise a paw or the pug actually raising the paw. He problem is with the command for the paw-raising and the way he gets the pug's attention, which he repeated on and on. Did he want to Marke a joke? Yes. Was it funny? Possibly. The pug watching Hitler giving a speech did tickle me ever so slightly. Did he go to far with repeating "Sieg Heil" and "Gas the jews"? Yes. And that's what the fine is for.
| >>260056
>>260084
>>260154
You guys srsly understand nothing. It's not about the fucking pug raising his paw, nor about hurting people verbally. It is about saying "gas the jews" on a world wide accessible media. Just look on who supports this guy now as "fighter for free speech" While in Europe journalists get murdered for anti-corruption investigation, in Turkey they got jailed for critique on government and in many other countries there is no free speech at all.
| >>260523
What I want to say is, that the case of this "youtuber" is nearly irrelevant to free speech compared to other things that are going on.
And still here are 3 threads about it like everyone is retarded as fuck. Fucking celebrity gossip yellowpress distraction shit.
| >>260521
>I don't like what this person thinks
>Let's put them in a concentration camp
Really makes you think...
| >>260577 Now you're putting words in my mouth I never said. I said that Count Dankula went too far and he has to face the consequences, which he doesn't want to do. He trivialised systemical mass murder for cheap laughs so idiots can clap their meatlumps without thinking. But you're apparently too egoistic see that. You want total freedom without consequences, which is only possible in absolute solitude. Now, please read what I said again and think before you speak.
| >>260692
maybe it's because you are the retarded one here. Unfortunately you may be to retarded to consider beeing retarded.
| Gas the Jews.
| >>260623
So who decides what is and isn't "too far?" Jokes about genocide are offensive enough to face legal consequence, but what about jokes about rape? Are murder jokes better or worse than the former? Can I joke about North Korea nuking the whole world in total nuclear Holocaust, since that's more general? Please, direct me towards the legal reference for what's objectively offensive and what's not. I wouldn't want to step over the line.
| >>260931 Here's the thing, comedy and satire get way with a lot of things. You can joke about a lot of things. Even the things you mentioned but comedy still maintains the stance that those things are horrible, dangerous, and whatnot. Satire critisizes in a humouristic fashion. Count Dankula did neither, it wasn't even a joke ultimately. He just repeated two phrases over and over. That's your line. He could've made or a joke or Satire but he went with stupid for the views.
| Cont. New he faces the consequences for bis stupidity. But if you don't want to agree then let's agree to disagree. You're probably fed up with me now and we the others for long enough now. Sounds good?
| >>260962
>>260963
Sure, but it all comes down to subjectivity. You say Count wasn't making a joke, but I personally find the set-up of "Hail Hitler" and the punch-line of his dog raising its paw to be pretty obvious. It almost sounds like a mockery of the Reich. Which then brings it around to who gets decide what is and isn't a joke, and then which jokes are and aren't offensive. There is no defined line.
| >>22f557 on a final note it was a joke, the joke was thay this oh so cute dog was turned into the least cute and most horrible thing there is, a Nazi. Now what did the nazis do when someone said "hail hitler"? Exactly they did the hitler salut.... like the dog did which showed he "became" a Nazi. (If a dog can even be considered one)
| >>261104
Again: forget about the pugs salute and the "hail Hitler" phrase.
It is about fucking "gas the jews".
Just look who's applauding to it and you know why it is problematical.
Real satire was made by an german satirist/commedian of reading "My Struggle" in front of neo-nazist, and after that revealing his turkish origin. This guy also did some other political statements/actions.
Cunt Duckula only does it for the clicks/fame and publicity. He's just harvesting what he sewed.
| LOCK HIM UP
| >>261615
Which context? The problem is that it lacks pretty much of context. I just now that this guy proclaims to be a "shit-poster" while beeing exlicit "anti-pc" and getting support by nazist conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones. If this kind of people get in power, "free speech" will be really restricted in a much worse way then having a controversy about publishing "gas the jews". If there is a satirical context he has much a chance to explain it than in most other countries.
| >>261615
Just think about the german satirist/showmaster boehmerman who called Erdogan to be a goatfucker - with the disclaimer that this would be something forbidden according to an old paragraph in german law. This paragraph now gots dropped btw.
What is Cunt Duckulas goal? What are his motives?
Short answer: only fame, clicks based on infantile provocation. He (officially) has no message at all. Inofficially his actions are celebrated by nazists and antisemites.
| >>261615
If you publish context you have to take some responsibility for it by making your point clear.
In the end he won't be harmed that much and it turns out that all the panic was just typical reactionists whining about how evil and cruel this jewish/islamist/communist/liberal world is in their twisted perception of reality.
| >>261696
I forgot to mention it's also an evil feminist and niggers world.
Meanwhile journalists get murdered and opressed if they are critical to economic, political and religious authorities. This Dunkula Case is just a irrelevant case of distraction from the real important restrictions of freedom. Just think about what's going on in China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Poland, Hungary but also in "western" countries (CIA/NSA, NATO, Cambridge analytica, Capitalists Lobby, Nazism, etc.)
| >>67a253 you are giving an incredible amount of power to nazis and antisemites. If they like or endorse something that thing is bad and must be forbidden. So they get to decide whats forbidden and whats not? Thanks no id rather not let the decide.
Also them liking it doesnt mean it is in their favor nor that its bad. They will like things that we like as well that doesnt mean those thing are bad just because they like them
| >>67a253 also he literally said "The least cute thing I van think of, a nazi"
And
"I am not a racist I just really want to piss her off"
That doesnt count as context ?
| >>261769
>you are giving an incredible amount of power to nazis and antisemites.
LOL. And you're giving an incredible amount of power to me.
Pls. stop talking bullshit.
>blah blah forbidden blah blah bad blah blah they blah blah like blah blah them
Srsly. WTF? Could you pls try to explain yourself less cryptic/bullshitish?
>>261773
No it's not enough context. Context is not limited to one picked Phrase. It is about everything you said, wrote or did. Also it is a lie...
| >>261927
...because if he "just really wanted to piss her off" why it is necessary to record it on video and publish it to the whole world? Is there maybe another reason? Maybe because of the clicks, the fame, the publicity? As I said: He just harvest what he sewed.
This whole debate is massively oversized regarding what it is about and in relation to what is going on in the world about "free speech". Reminder: It is about publish "gas the jews" for the sake of "fun" (and clicks!).
| >>0904de mhm well I guess thats that either you are a troll or just stupid there was nothing cryptic about what I said, it was colloquial english thats easy to understand
How am I giving you power ?
You are saying that these people get to decide what should be view as bad by the public. If thats not power then I dont know
| >>0904de but you are right, he did it for public attention there is no other need to upload it besides that. But that dowsnt make it racist either
| >>261691
The context that it's a cheap joke regardless of whether you find it offensive or unfunny or not. I feel like you're trying to equate this to yelling fire in a theater when the only stampede has been alleged e-nazis finding what he said funny. Who subscribes to his humor has no bearing on the individual in question. Your words aren't judged on the merit of those that claim to associate with you. And it doesn't matter if his career is for fame or fortune. That's it from me.
| ITT: autistic triggered snowflakes sperg out
| So its okay for opinions to be illegal? Yes hes said gas the jews(most likely not meaning it) but even if he did mean it, is that alone worth being illegal? No call to action, no action, nothing. Just voicing an unpopular opinion. Agreed that it was stupid and a bad idea, but just because you shouldnt do something doesn't mean that thing should be illegal.
| If he had been calling for people to actually kill jews or organizing plans to acheive an act of violence or oppression, then I would understand. There would be a directly relevant consequnce to the speech. But for saying generic broad opinion statements? Shouldnt be illegal I think. Just like it should be legal for someone to say they don't like their government or that it should fall, but illegal to take actions to bring that to pass or to organize such
| >>262256
>is that alone worth being illegal
Yes it is, because it's racist agitation/call for genocide/trivialization of genocide.
>unpopular opinion
An opinion does not gain or loose substance because of its popularity. Reality gives a shit if a majority or a minority is closer to it. Also it seems your opinion is much more popular than mine. So you already and obviously have a wrong perception of reality.
| >your opinion is more popular therefore you are wrong
:thonkface:
| >>262412
ok, retry for >>262412:
You refer to >>262256 or to>>262356 ?
Refferencing is sometimes hard but important.
| All in all he made a cringy joke. Some ppl laughed, I sure as hell did,but some didn't and were offeneded. All comedy revolves around suffering and to get the joke you need to understand that Hitler and the Nazi's were not "cute". I don't thibk someone should got to jail for a joke and if you deem it offensive that's on you. You're giving his words a different context and giving his words power over you.
| Goodness what a shitshow this thread is.
Count made a dumb joke. Some found it funny,some didn't. When he's mocking Nazis and gets arrested, who is the state really defending?
I hope he wins and sure as hell wins hard. Fuck the virtue signaling and pretentious governing that got him on that spot.
| >>47431c
He was prepared to deny the sentance and go to jail to set an example that he wouldn't comply when he is actually innocent. Luckily he didn't have to, and is reappealing.
It may have been for attention and shitposting first, but now he's in it to set a precedent.
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| He has been sentenced to pay £800 but raised £100.000 online in order to fight the sentence and try to get it repealed so he doesn't get convicted. If he is succsesfull this could be an example for future cases.