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| These have been happening for years. This isn't as crazy as it might sound, most people just aren't aware.
| Goes to show how different has reality become in comparison to what the orchestrated media report.
| Maybe I'll get an answer here.. but nobody seems to know what NATO and Israel are expecting out of the Syrian conflict? What's the end goal? I'm being serious here, it's all fun to joke around but what is it really that they're looking for?
It's not chemical weapons, a lot of countries have them. Russia defends Assad for the country's stability.. what does the other side fight for?
| >>247081
1. It's a testing ground for modern warfare.
2. Syria is, like Afghanistan, of geopolitical interest because of its key-position.
3. Demonstration of Power to all other potential enemy's in the world.
>Russia defends Assad for the country's stability..
Don't be so naive. Russian government as well gives a shit of people. They intervene for the same reasons in Syria like the USA and NATO, as I listed them. Israel, like Turkey is a regional power with imp./nationalist gov.
| Stop being metaphorical God dammit! I'm sick of this nihilistic response everyone gives me, you're the reason your government can get into wars anywhere without repercussions! What's the OFFICIAL USA goal in Syria, what do they say they want to do, there has to be something!
| Maybe metaphorical isn't the right term, but surely you get my point, it's a fundamental mechanic of debating to know the opinion of both sides, but what the hell is the US's official opinion? Sorry to come off aggressive but I'm realizing more and more that nobody knows! What the fuck is going on??
| >>247642
Official US goal in Syria is to destabilize and indirectly oppose Iran's power in the region. Israel stands to gain from this, I don't see USA as much more than the muscle here. Trump seems to have other ideas of how it going to go down.
| >>247692 alright.. so it all evolves around Iran vs Israel then, that makes more sense now, thank you. I needed that..
| >>247716
No, it is just a foreplay for the comming crisis of capitalism. Capitalists in Russia, the EU and the USA need access to new markets while continuing to divide the working class with nationalist, racist and religious fundamentalist lies.
Syria is not only a testing ground for the military-industrial complex of all involved countries but also for their propaganda and espionage machinery. "Western" Right wingers and Islamists are just tools to fight the real opposition.
| Yet the World has only so much markets available. Basically all is now saturated. What once seemed a vast World where you could grow and grow and leech and leech, has ended. And this is directly why capitalism is shaking more and more. Without endless selling and leeching, it is death and stagnation for it and we are seeing the first signs of that, the necessity to create a need even when there is not.
Syria is the victim of Wallmart obesity wheelchairs.
| What does markets have to do with Syria, what? I've said these points and I'll say it again, not everything in life goes through production and not everyone are good on presumption. These are some of the weakest points in Adam Smith's theory and in turn in Karl Marx'.
The Middle East has been a playground for war for more than 30 years now but the reasons are influence. Syria doesn't have that array of resources thus no company could profit from the Syrians.
| >>248667
Warfare itself is a market too.
Also economy rises after every war everywhere, even after the genocide in Ruanda. Destruction is part of capitalism due to its dependency on infinite growth. The middle east is an important transit region between far east and Europe. Also "refugee crisis" is used by governments to increase surveillance and decrease living standards for common people. Also Immigrants are people with lower rights and can be used like slaves and as scapegoats.
| >>248729 The problem is wars in 2 particular countries, Afghanistan and Syria both lead and are leading to major losses since there the only resource they offer is geopolitical influence.
With the refugees even if the EU wanted cheaper labour, statistically most of the refugees aren't working and live off of welfare.
I'd say the surveilance argument is used where attacks happened en large like France or in overly nationalist states like Poland and Hungary. It's all a mess.
| >>248763
The question is who has "major losses" and if there also are winners. Btw. in Afghanistan opium production is a big factor.
You also have the wrong perception of what "welfare" is for. It's not like people live in luxury with it. Also in my country I would say most immigrants work, but under bad circumstances, since it's illegal. Also some natives have such small loans that they need to apply for "welfare", which is in fact more like a credit than actually welfare.
| >>248763
Oh and again to your "welfare". It only exits to redistribute public money back to capitalists by consume while it is individually kept as small as possible and beeing dependent on conditions like applying for any shitty paid job or "integration" (whatever that means). In fact before the "refugee crisis", it were "native" welfare recievers that were scapegoated by people with even small jobs that feel exploited.
| >>248783 I can't really argue back about welfare going back to that state since that's how welfare economy works. I've seen refugees go en masse to the UK and Germany but I know from statistics that many of these people don't end up getting job, for one reason or another. And even if 900-1500 euros are bellow the minimum wage that's still a big take on the busget and I at least assume refugees over there are offered decent housing.
Sorry for going way off topic.
| >>248299
Right on cue the teenage communist brigade shows up to remind everyone that every ill in the world is because of "muh 1%" and that the only way to solve it is to open the Gulags and get thrown in. Makes for very boring discussion.
| https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/us-military-spending-vs-world/
>>249155 You were saying? I think I interrupted your discussion about the gulags and the red teen in uniforms brigade.
| System of a down listen to and fest thoughts
| >>249155
The Gulag system was a heritage from the tsaristic 1% regime which was reactivated during the 0,01% stalinist regime, which established out of shitty circumstances of a revolutionary civil war as result of the 1st world war and during a 2nd world war where teenage communis brigades clearly weren't the driving force behind. In fact a lot of gulag victims were communists themselves, which opposed stalin.
| >teenage communis brigades clearly weren't the driving force behind
Obviously. It was the Jews, but the modern day teenage communists are so mixed up on propaganda that they won't accept that either.
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| idk where to put this, but i found this thread on a subreddit for syrians(?)
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/8c4614/402_am_syrian_time_damascus_im_hearing_some/
reading these comments is insane. crazy to think that this went down while i was taking a nap or something. some of the commenters haven't posted in days