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China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you.
| //Punishments Overview
1. Banning you from flying or getting the train.
2. Throttling your internet speeds.
3. Banning you (or your kids!) from the best schools.
4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
6. Being publicly named as a bad citizen.
| Soon people will be conditioned to be like Elsen in that game called OFF
| "I'm, I'm working! I'm being productive!"
| "The... su.. The... sug... The sugar... Put the sugar in the tube, the sugar in the tube! ...in the tube.
| Oof
| I thought this has been happening
| We'll only really figure out how this system works out over time.
| China is the real cyberpunk dystopia
| Just kill china. Just end it all.
| >>234610 You should be happy that China doesnt feel like killing all the rest of the world. Because it can.
| China stronk
| Also this:
http://www.chinauncensored.tv/execution-vans/
and this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/05/yes-china-still-harvests-organs-from-executed-prisoners/?utm_term=.04b9d18bee56
| Shit's so crazy it practically belongs on /cyb/
| If they do it right this is a great thing for everyone; I have high hopes.
| If we leave middle east with their barbaric laws and tradition alone, why would you care about china? It's not like these stuff impact your daily life in other countries.
| >>234027 it can even affect how you get a date, your eligibility for a car, or even a job. If you're at the botton of the 1.3b long list, you may as well end it if you're not gonna get any half decent jobs, let alone a girl/boyfriend.
China will also punish past students who have cheated on tests and have approached the education section about this.
Oh and of course, say anything negative about the government and you and anyone connected to you will have their score lowered.
| IMHO China has made life into one big contest to make it to the top, and if you're near the bottom, you'd be severely disadvantaged, this credit system is as invasive as UK's "Investigative Powers" law where police shitpost about how "You should think twice before posting that tweet" before it hurts muh feels.
| >>235460
More like eliminate the ones at the bottom. If they do it right it's common sense to do so. Although there are an infinite amount of ways to mess it up.
| >>235454 or or, another side of the coin that all seem to neglect on unable to see.
A parallell society. They will match up bf/gf relations within the 'misfits' group. They will employ within the group as well (define 'good job'. An entire ecosystem could emerge where benefits are differently measured and valued, because their environment is different as well).
Never underestimate the power of an entire population, vast enough to create its own ecosystem.
| >>235503 as much of an ideal possibility ot sounds, I'm pretty sure the Chinese government won't carry out such a plan, but you may have a good point, regardless.
| >>235509 I didnt aim the post to explain 'my' resolve, rather than 'their' resolve. There can be thousands of reasons why many would be labeled 'lacking social credit'. I was more pondering the idea of this group, especially if it grows to enough numbers and in China this is not a problem at all, this group will just find ways to self regulate and live on.
China most of all in Asia, has an old and complex family structure and duties and obligations so it would be quite easy...
| ... for the conformists to support the misfits via ungerground unseen ways.
| >Chinese Nazis
| I can see a raise in suicide in China, more than that, I find it funny how a communist country is, foccusing in creating a system that will raise competition, kinda hypocritical don't you think? And we have a black mirror/cyberpunk dystopia in China, barbarism in the middle east, a cybernetic police state censoring and arresting people for their opinions in UK, a living meme on the white house, drug cartels rulling latin america, I think those shits should been taken care by now.
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| China is not a communist state since a long time,we need a term to define them, like...a nationalism libertarian dictature ?
| //Punishments Overview
1. Ban from flying or getting the train.
>already implemented years ago.
2. Throttling internet speeds.
>never heard of this one at all.
3. Ban from the best schools.
>banning people from the best private schools is not a big deal since most people prefer to go to public schools, plus the majority of public schools are better in china anyways.
| 4. Stopping you getting the best jobs.
>state owned firms are ridiculously hard to get in. You have to have someone who has the connection to help you to get in one. Just work in any of the big private firms, most of them are close if not better than state owned firms.
5. Keeping you out of the best hotels.
>never heard of this.
6. publicly named as a bad citizen
>already implemented.
Military service is not mandatory in china. If you don't sign up of it you don't have to do it.
| Who else feels that this system is really just a more fair version of money?
Lack of money also preventd you from using planes and trains, hotels, private schools, etc.
But you can be born rich or poor and that's the end of it.
But even if you're born poor, you can follow the laws and rack up Social Credits. Seems like Money 2.0 if you ask me.
| What's the point of throttling Internet when you can barely access any site at all?
| >>236753 sites are not important when you generate half the global internet earnings domestically.
| >>236936 That is actually a wonderful idea, the intention is not to stop it at all. Why should you stop collecting money from those who have it and want to buy their status up along the social ladder? You substract points, they give money to increase them. Only stupid would want such a thing to stop.
| >>d7f705 yeah, maybe for now. But imagine if we totally abolished money and only had these social credits. Now it's suddenly a lot harder to cheat the system. Obviously many decades and possibly centuries are ahead before we no longer use money, but it is possible, social credits seem like a very promising transition. Especially as scarcity keeps decreasing, money will slowly be less crucial. Social credits could maybe help us through the automation job slump that is coming up?
| >>237187
So tell me: what is the purpose of social credits that money does not solve already? If you can buy the credits they are just a pointless redundancy.
| Cyberpunk is real, isn't it...
| >>239258 Keeping the population to behave with more than one way. It never is a good idea to keep all the eggs in one basket only.
>>239602 No, it is not. The more technology you have, the more various the ways to use it to police/guide/shape society. This is simple, basic, knowledge. Something similar has existed for ages in many countries about the driving license system: each has an amount of points, every mistake substracts from that until no more points, aka no more license.
| >>239258 I think it's a part of China's overall plan to increase inner consumption. Currently China exports a ton but its inner economy is crippled due to remnants of the old Socialistic class system of villager and city citizen. This system should let leeway for people so they end up with moee rights from the other side while everyone gains purchasing power exponentially. If all works out, China will gain a middle class and become richer than the US.
| "Yelp" for citizens.
| >>240571
The exact same result could be found through something like UBI, paying citizens directly to be good and implicitly starving the ones who misbehave by cutting their benefits gradually.
| >>240743 No, it is not the same thing. You are making the crucial mistake of simplifying things based on what the human mind percepts as manageable and intuitive. It may work for a village or a small town. But a crowd of people with several hundred million individuals, reaching beyond a billion is nowhere near that. You can easily say '500 million people' but probably can not visualise how many they are if clumped together as if participating in a public gathering.
| >>241376 Diversification of method. With huge numbers it is better to control people by more than one way. While money is what people purchase goods and luxury to live, social status can only partly be bought with money. You can have rich assholes and also moderate or poor highly moral people, which social points can indicate. And both groups can vent their egoes (and frustration) by applausing one and scoffing at the other. There is definitely more to life than just money.
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| This makes me all the more worried about the state of social media here in the US. Alongside what's currently going on with the whole Facebook scandal, I'm almost 100% positive the US will implement these tactics eventually. Probably in a different version than China no doubt, but relatively the same. Probably using social media as more of a tool. As privacy and sharing is out of control currently and more monitoring is being dished out with the government.
| This is pretty old stuff.. like probaly 2015
| >>242541 If privacy and sharing is the problem, all those who dove head on to social media actually deserve worse as they are the ones who brought this situation. The real problem is that their shallowness has now made information prisoners also the smaller group of those who didn't want social media but still were dragged there by the zombies all around them.
| 我听过这个新闻，不过这个制度很早以前就有了，主要针对欠别人债不还的“老赖”，民事纠纷被法庭判决后拒绝执行的人，信用卡透支坏账很高的人。我记得这个新闻出来的时候，人们是喜闻乐见的(ㅍ_ㅍ)
| >>887201
yes, most of us do. coz if a guy own u money and not returning to u even if u sued him, u really dont want him to live just like nothing happened. This regulation(not a law) bans him from airport,Highspeed railway,bank and leave a bad mark on his personal file(Dude, seriesly, if u r a boss, do you raelly want to hire a unhonest guys with bad history?).
And regulation applies solely on finiancial issues so far as i know.
| >>245876 Certainly. It was an example of hiring an unhonest guy with a bad reputation to be a leader. Because the president is actually hired by society to fulfil a certain role, that of the president.
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