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Guns in the US
| To fight Englishmen that want to rekonquer the east coast, want high taxes for tea and stop settlers going to the west.
Thats the official reason.
The unnoficcial is the twisted logic of liberty/freedom in the us.
Also legal guns were pretty practical for conquering the west and later privatly hiring union busters.
Today it's just for retarded hillbillies and rednecks to revolt if after trump a leftist becomes president.
| I don't understand your question. You're asking strangers to answer for you why you need a gun? Isn't that a question better answered yourself?
If you don't need or want one, then don't get one.
| Depends where you live. Some people feel safer with a gun around.
| >>153095
Yeah, in an environment where any ashole can carry around a gun, it's better to also have one.
I'm glad not to live in a warzone or a hypocrite shithole like the US, which basically is a permanent cowboy-capitalist warzone.
| >>153131
A lot of people in the world feel like you do. But the amerikanskis just call them commies and go on waving the star spangled banner in one hand and a gun in the other.
| >>153131
You are also unwanted. Enjoy living in your nannystate, may the chains rest lightly upon your neck.
| >>153169 Because true freedom exists only in the usa right? It is in the anthem too, "home of of the slave, land of the spree."
Oh wait...
| >>153172
Gun homicide statistics are extremely misrepresented, since they include the lawful use of guns in self-defense and in suicide, and about 80% of the remainder (murder by firearm) is accounted for by gang on gang crime.
Otherwise, name a few other countries which still allows its citizens the right of self-defense by firearm. I like to think my life has enough intrinsic value to be worth defending by any means necessary.
Criminals aren't deterred by the law, only you are.
| >>153169
Yeah, you know whats funny:
yesterday i saw a report about a some elder turkish/anatolian women that founded a theatre group, which was in the beginning against the will of a majority of men in their village. But somehow they managed to become popular and were even invited in bigger towns/cities to perform their drama. The men were against it at first because they were worried, but old turkish women convinced them by arguing: "Nah, we're not going to texas"
Think about it.
| >>153298
This means, that even a anatolian country women in fucking almost civil-war turkey understood that you in a money shitting hight-tech country like the US are stupid as shit and ruining everything.
| >>153169
>nanny state
Don't make me laught with your Facebook/Google/NSA "brave new world" nanny surveillance disney-shithole.
| >>153327
Because the great firewall of China is such an improvement :^)
Here, let's make sure this thread of wrongthink never appears on the people's glorious Baidu:
八九民运
六四事件
六四屠杀
六四镇压
自由和民主
人民应该得到自由
中国政府是犯罪的
| >>153356
Oh, you thing that the US "brave new world" is a positive, utopian counter-model to Chinese "1984"?
And don't think I'm stupid and see it the other way around. But the thing is, that the Chinese army does (yet) not intervene all over the world, proclaiming to fight for human rights and shit, like the US (while having places like Guantanamo and Diego Garcia). It's such a biased country. And crying like bitches, when russia occupies an semi-island without casualties.
| >>153425
The United States isn't without its own flaws, but people all around the world vote with their feet, and it's very telling when you look at where they come from and go to.
Cubans flee Socialism and go to Florida, Venezuelans flee Chavism and go to Colombia, North Koreans flee Juche and go to South Korea.
Even in China, mainlanders go to the relatively free SAR of Hong Kong, not vice versa. Do you think it's all just concidental?
Obviously something is better in capitalism.
| >Obviously something is better in capitalism.
The question is just for how long and for how many in the end.
>Even in China
See, and here is the funny thing: How does goes together, that while china is such an unfree realm of communist evil, our beloved freedom loving capitalists elites prefer to produce in china?
>Venezuelans flee Chavism
which is not true, as there is no chavism anymore.
>Cubans flee Socialism and go to Florida
why not to capitalist latin-american countries?
| >North Koreans flee Juche and go to South Korea.
Which was once the other way arround due to south korean dictatorship, which only survived because the us shits money on them. If the US did not intervene in Korea, it may would be now like vietnam or china. If the us did not intervene in vietnam, it probably would be much better. It seems like the US fought for fucking of socialism at all cots, and now they have to suffer from the consequences.
| >>153499
because look at what the US now is: a divided, fucked up country with a ridiculous president, threatened by nazist riots, school schootings, terrorism and a paranoid government.
Look at what the globalized capitalist paradice becomes: there are more fortified borders around than during cold war and last year the global armory production is running hot again, like it didn't for over 20 years. Where is it your prospering capitalist paradise? It's shrinking!
War is comming.
| >>153494
>there is no chavism anymore.
Yes, there is nothing anymore, except for suffering and misery. A+!
>prefer to produce in china
Because ultimately if China doesn't place value on the welfare of their workers, that's their problem, not ours. Besides that, China is well known to be a currency manipulator and to subsidize industries to force competition out, hence why they often get slapped with so many import tariffs.
>why not to capitalist lat-am countries?
They do as well.
| >>153499
>Which was once the other way arround due to south korean dictatorship
Yes, and the USSR shit money on North Korea to keep it afloat first, and for much longer.
Notice that when SK became a democracy, how they too became a place for refugees to seek freedom.
>If the us did not intervene in vietnam, it probably would be much better
Yes, it probably would have been. They invoked the US Declaration of Independence in their own, they only wanted liberty from France.
| >>153536
Ho Chi Mihn was a very shrewd politician, and realized that playing Socialism was ultimately beneficial for his country, since the French were the haves and his people were the have-nots. Ultimately he had the backing of both the USSR and China, at the height of the Sino-Soviet split no less, but not before he had made an appeal to the US for its help, which tragically fell on deaf ears. Shortly after the Vietnam War, China went to war with him over ideological differences
| >>153527
>Yes, there is nothing anymore
Well there wasn't ever something except oil, which lost its value due to fracking, Isis and Arab record exports to finance their wars.
>Because ultimately if China doesn't place value on the welfare of their workers
Which is not the purpose of a country.
>that's their problem, not ours.
You're wrong. We're living in a global competition of exploitation.
| >>153499
>It seems like the US fought for fucking of socialism at all cots
This is a good thing. I myself -was- Soviet citizen. My wife is Venezuelan-Colombian. Believe me, nothing has brought as much suffering to this world as Socialism in all of its guises.
>>153510
>a divided, fucked up country
Division being pushed by openly subversive foreign interests. Ie; the Revolutionary Communist Party, aka "Refuse Fascism" et al who'd have you believe the president is -literally Hitler-
| >>153540
Oh Castro was asking for help in the us too. But it „tragically“ fell on deaf ears too. This having „tragically deaf ears“ seems like a US specific disease, which you can see in these forums here too.
| >>153548
Of course, I won't deny that he is a dunce. Certainly, he's far from my first choice, but his biggest crime is having the audacity to sit at Obama's desk and wield Obama's pen. God help us!
>there are more fortified borders around than during cold war
I don't know, the Iron Curtain was pretty damn big. Germans used to die on the wire escaping to W. Berlin, remember?
>your prospering capitalist paradise
Good, if it's shrinking, there's no room in it for you. Be gone, commie
| >>153548
>Believe me, nothing has brought as much suffering to this world as Socialism in all of its guises.
Except two capitalists world wars and the third one that will come. I am impressed about capitalisms contribution to humanism.
| >>153564
National sozialismus, aka nazi. Tell me again about how it was a war of capitalism.
It was a war of national socialism versus international communism.
The first world War was more a war of imperialism than one of capitalism too, for that matter.
Capitalism's contribution to humanism is that your life has value under capitalism, while it has none under socialism.
| >>153548
>This is a good thing.
Oh killing people is good if you see any trace of communism/socialism in them. Impressive hipocritical.
>Division being pushed by openly subversive foreign interests. Ie; the Revolutionary Communist Party, aka "Refuse Fascism" et al who'd have you believe the president is -literally Hitler-
Communists party in the US pushes the division? Don't make me laugh. And Trump may be not Hitler, but he goes into the same direction.
| >>153570
Killing people is generally bad, and on those grounds, I oppose socialism. Care to point to a socialist or communist state that hasn't been a human rights disaster of suffering, misery, political repression, gulags, and executions?
The RCP is only the tip of the iceberg in any case. How about Oscar Lopez Rivera, Cuban-trained terrorist of the FALN, being pardoned by Obama and later hailed as a hero by Sandinista-supporting Mayor DeBlasio in NYC? It runs so very deep.
| >>153566
>National sozialismus, aka nazi.
The nazis had nothing to do with socialist ideas. They just used this term, which was popular at these times among working masses, to get a mass basis from labour. The nazis were antisemic, racist and imperialist/expansionistic capitalists. Yet today capitalist ideologists share the social Darwinist logic of competition and survival of the fitest, which is a incomplete and wrong view on evolution.
| >>153582
Well, human rights are a bit problematic to provide when you opposed by an enemy like the us (which gives a fuck on human rights too, if it is about their hegemony)
In Chile they trief, but see what happned.
| >>153583
We had a saying, бьёт по морде, не по паспорте. They beat the face, not the passport. If your face looked Jewish, it would get beat, even if your passport said you weren't.
You think the USSR wasn't antisemitic, racist, imperialist, and expansionist? Moreover, you think the National Socialists weren't socialist?
You are so very naive and so very misguided. You truly give me fear for the future. I hope you will learn.
| >>153582
>gulags,
Which were founded by the tsaristic regime. There are no gulags anymore even before the fall of USSR. But there're us detention camps like Guantanamo and Diego garcia.
>and executions?
Are you serious? Aren't in Florida just 400 ppl waiting in death cells?
| >>153624
You are so blind to reality.
A Gulag by another name is still a Gulag. Do you think Lefortovo was better?
Or maybe you think that the Stasi's Zerzetsung strategy of breaking people psychologically and putting them in mental institutions was more hospitable than gulags?
How many of those 400 are on death row for political crimes? You are comparing apples and oranges.
Guantanamo is a blemish on the US, but it is nothing in comparison to what you ignore.
| >>153605
I know about the antisemitism problem in post-revolutionary USSR. At least they did not try to wipe out jews in „concentration camps“ And saying the nazis were socialists is just their own lie, thankfully taken over by neoliberal propaganda.
After the war, the same people remained rich that benifit from war. They sat all over in western germany institutions.
The US War on what they see as communism left burned ground everywhere.
| >>153633
You are beyond reason. Truly a useful idiot.
I hope I am gone by the time you are forced to reap what you now sow.
Go read Gulag Archipelago. I used to keep my copy, faded and tattered samizdat held together by staples, hidden behind a vent because it was a crime to own it.
It wasn't as cool as Beatles records copied into used Xray films, but maybe if you read it you can understand some of the suffering.
| >>153630
>How many of those 400 are on death row for political crimes?
Having the „wrong“ skin color seems to be a political crime in the US
In my country death cells simply dont exist by the way. I also don't need to worry about beeing shot.
| >>153630
I don't want to justify gulags, or the stasi, but I think you're to naive about „communism=bad“ and „capitalism=good“.
>You truly give me fear for the future.
Don't fear. There is a chance to solve the inner contradoctions of capitalism: communism.
| >>153645
Yes, we too said "and they are lynching niggers" as a catch-all retort against anything American. I see you've gotten with the komsomol program. Will you make a corner of your house dedicated to atheism next? The state is the only God after all.
>>153654
It is not that I am necessarily pro-capitalism, it is that socialism is inherently anti-liberty.
I'll buy you a one way ticket to the "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea, if you love communism so much, why not go?
| >>153643
Then do me a favour and watch the documentary „the act of killing“ and read „the house of spirits“ by Isabelle Allende and last but not least „the iron heel“ by Jack London.
| >>153672
North Korea does not match what I expect from communism. Also the officially gave up on it since a couple of years. Defacto it is a fascist, nationalist an majorly militarist monarchy with some religion called juche. So more what conservatives/far-right like. It's also not Democratic just because it's in its name. You're like „democracy and republic is shit, because look at the DPRK“
| >>153676
Please, I read and watched enough of that agitprop in my schooling. You are lucky to have the freedom to watch it, but you seem to choose to indoctrinate yourself with it.
| >>153672
>socialism is inherently anti-liberty.
Thats simply not true. Socialism aims libearation of the economic weak, while capitalist liberty is primarily the liberty of the rich.
| >>153684
Only a couple of years? What was the straw that broke your proverbial camel's back? Kim Jong Un is such a benevolent leader, after all. Juche is enshrined in their constitution alongside communism and socialism. It's just their way of saying "self-sufficiency"
What do you expect from communism, pray tell? A magical paradise that never will be? Is it that "true communism has never been tried before" as the cliche goes?
| >>153694
Please, prove me wrong, then. I struggle to name a socialist state that isn't a disaster.
Do you remember that even a decade ago, everybody was singing praise for Chavez and the Venezuelan miracle? I wonder why they have stopped.
| >>153685
So, in your capitalist paradise I have freedom, except questioning it is the Paradise you think it is, am I right?
Also „the act of killing“ is no agitation, it's a documentation of a real event. The other two books are belletristic with no aim to reveal „truths“. Especially „the spirit house“ fairly portraits diffrent point of views, even thought it ends with the Pinochet putsch, which also was a real event.
| >>153705
Yes, you have the freedom to be wrong, and you even have the freedom to be stubborn about it. Isn't it enjoyable?
| >>153696
>Juche is enshrined in their constitution alongside communism and socialism. It's just their way of saying "self-sufficiency"
Not anymore. The words socialism and communism do not occur anymore in DPRK constitution.
>What do you expect from communism, pray tell?
2 things:
1. Peace
2. Equality of opportunity
>true communism has never been tried before
It has been tried before and failed. No reason not to try it again better, without all the shit. Thats in human nature.
| >>153710
Yeah but couldn't you imagine that there is some truth in capitalism criticism? And can't you imagine that this is where the freedom ended often for people who did this critique? Your capitalist utopia is really close to Huxley's „brave new world“ to me. We'll see how far my freedom goes in your beloved system.
| Whatever, I go to bed now. Have to work tomorrow.
| >>153714
>peace
I disagree with the US's interventionist attitude, but you will find plenty of peaceful capitalist states who hardly lift a finger against others.
>Equality of opportunity
You have that under capitalism.
Communism offers a false promise of equal outcome, but it'll never happen.
Every time communism has been tried, it has ended in disaster and suffering. It's unethical and evil to continue to try. Has it even once led to anything else?
| >>153721
I have lived under both, and neither has been perfect, but I would choose what I have now versus what I had in the past a hundred times over. It's not even a competition.
| >>153747
Capitalism is not usa and usa is not capitalism. There are a lot of other nations which have implemented capitalism much better than usa.
All this praise for capitalism though, is little, if not at all, related to how guns are a good thing in a civilian populace. It is not surprising then for such a mentality in the populace to produce a trigger happy oriented nation, with both hands in every war on the planet for the last 100 years at least.
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| >>153838
Are you suggesting there's a relationship between the number of wars the government involves its self in, and how trigger happy the citizens are?
Your logic seems flawed.
| So you can stroke it every night after ritualistic cleaning it, while you fantasize about killing featureless bad guys who are evil incarnate and could barely even considered humans. Everyone needs a hobby.
| >>153838
>Capitalism is not usa and usa is not capitalism. There are a lot of other nations which have implemented capitalism much better than usa.
You have a wrong perception about what capitalism is: A global economic System.
There is no "capitalism in one nation", as "socialism in one nation" is no alternative to it. Capitalists are acting globally, they give a shit about your little nations, except that they use it to divide the international proletariat.
| >>153747
>I have lived under both
Basically you havn't, because of >>154251
What you've experienced was nothing but different versions of capitalism. Communism is about participation of masses, not only in a limited political way but also on economical.
Do you know what the word "soviet" intentionally meant?
| >>153743
>I disagree with the US's interventionist attitude
Which is in inherent to capitalism, as it provides profit and deflection of masses.
>Equality of opportunity
Which is not existent due to the right to an inheritance. After all your parents wallet is a very, very important value.
>You have that under capitalism.
Communism offers a false promise of equal outcome
You're right, about this promise beeing false, because it is not what communism is about.
| >>154257
>The USSR was a version of capitalism
Are you retarded, or do you just pretend to be on the internet?
By the way, Soviet, Совет -> Советский. In this case, it means council
Союз means union, so it literally means "Union of Councils" specifically of the sovety of the federative socialist republics that comprised the USSR.
| >>153743
>Every time communism has been tried, it has ended in disaster and suffering.
Which also has a lot to do with (primarly) US interventions, that were supposed to destroy every socialist experiment from the beginning, and the historical/economical heritage of the countries where it was started.
>It's unethical and evil to continue to try.
It's unethical to continue wars and produce armory like shit and ignore increasing soclial/economic scission.
| >Has it even once led to anything else?
Yes. The claim to be the "better" system had a positive impact on social politics in capitalists states.
Mind the "sputnik shock".
A lot of the scientists and entrepreneurs that developed modern IT could only study because the US invested a huge amount of money in education and development, also for not so wealthy people. Today such measurements would be demonized as "communism"
| >>154251 No it is you who have a very wrong idea of what capitalism is. Either that or you pulled the definition of capitalism right out of your arse because you have only heared of the word. Capitalism speaks of production and accumulating wealth by competition in a market and other word circus like that to justify wealth by even selling your grandmother. It going international in nature and its offspring practice of outsourcing are widely held as the failures of capitalism.
| >>154274
>Soviet
I know what it means, I know some russian too, since I'm from the GDR.
What i wanted to know is if you know what a council is supposed to be.
| Because they profit by exploiting the worlds inequalities and different standards where goods are produced and then transported to be sold. Thus also still widening the inequality more. And that is why you need the army all over the world for, becoming the dickhead for everyone else and making wars in all concieavable ways everywhere.
| >>154285
>Capitalism speaks of production and accumulating wealth by competition in a market
You forget two important things:
- The market is "GLOBAL"
This is why capitalism leds to war on everything that capitalist see as threat to their profit
- Capitalists production relies on private property of "means of production"
This is why there is no chance equality. Because some are born with means of production, and some not.
| So enough disscussion for me today, I have a real live too.
| >>154303 Yep, I am aware of those too. Just wanted to explain a bit to that kid above who seems to have been educated by propaganda posing as schoolbooks.
| >>153743
One last thing
>but you will find plenty of peaceful capitalist states who hardly lift a finger against others.
Tell me at least one mentionable capitalist country, that is not either poor like shit or participating/preparing on war.
| How did this thread derail so much?
btw congratz to all commie g/u/rls on danger/u/ fighting a good fight! One day we will all live in one comfy commune!
| >>154324
Yeah, just on the Paper and even this is going to change under Abe. They'll about to overthrow their official pacifist agenda for the sake of a global operating army. In practice they already have a impressive force.
| >>154578
"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength"
Orwell's Doublethink is not specific for failed socialism. It already is part of every capitalists society, althought they are more "brave new world" alike then "1984":
https://i.imgur.com/HwopZMB.jpg
| >>154310
Oh man, i did it again... You know what: I just finished work and will go out without need any weapons. But I enjoy drinking my beer in public, and laugh about all those idiots in the US that think they live in Paradise, while any other country is a shithole to them. These people remind me of north Koreans somehow.
Is that something you can do that too in your land of freedom, drinking beer in public?
| >>154578
Actually I didn't know about this. This is quite a thing indeed.
"In May 2017, Japanese Prime Minister Abe set a 2020 deadline for revising the Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution, a clause in the national Constitution of Japan outlawing war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state."
I also liked your previous posts. Clear thoughts.
| >>154600
Yes, actually. What idiotic country that serves alcohol wouldn't let you drink in public?
| inb4 Middle East.
| And in which country you can legally buy a gun at an earlier age than you can buy alcohol?
| I think i need a gun, because i want to be able to care about my safety myself. I don't want to get killed because police didn't arrive in time.
| >>158317 Are you implying that someone is interested in your small pathetic life to the extent of wanting to take it and put it in a jar?
| >>158703
Shit happens. Like, some mad junkie would turn crazy and try to break into your house and kill you, or some drunk guys in the street would want to rape your girl and beat your shit up, etc. Even if someone doesn't want to kill me, he would want to rob me or hurt someone i love.
| >>158703
Also ehhh, you would never know when some shit like civil unrests or war will begin and you'll urgently need a weapon to protect yourself.
https://www.silverdoctors.com/gold/gold-news/one-year-in-hellsurviving-a-full-shtf-collapse-in-bosnia/
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| I read so many threads now with people saying that it isn't the guns fault for killing people, but the one who wields it. I see this from a different perspective. I never had a gun in my life, i never missed one and im doing pretty decent. So why the fuck would i, as an ordinary guy, need a gun? Tell me!