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US soldiers can't throw grenades or read maps
| >“Rather than spend time getting soldiers through the hand grenade and land navigation qualification courses in order to graduate basic, those skills will be incorporated into three new field training exercises, dubbed Hammer, Anvil and Forge.”
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/army-basic-training-drop-hand-grenade-competency-graduation-requirement
| Ive been through every role in an infantry fire team up to fire Team Leader. I was part of the 82nd airborne. I'll admit that land navigation truly is a perishable skill. There are hundreds of other things and practical training that we do that doesn't allow for constant land navigation training. That usually takes up 3 days to a week in the field.
| As for the grenades, the paratroopers that I served with we're crazy good at throwing them, including myself.
I will say overseas you only get handed 2 grenades per grenadier in a team or per team leader. They're hardly ever used.
Land nav is also hardly ever used overseas. It's a good skill for the day an EMP hits but nothing other than that.
| With that in mind, it's a shame they base this off of "strength" rather than the things I mentioned above.
Infantry should still be required to go through it because that's their job.
The rest of the 98% of the military
| Shouldn't matter because their job isn't to be a grunt. It's plenty of other things. They're not required to be as physically fit as infantry, special forces, CAG, etc.
| Well, the us army is known for beeing a melting pot of undereducated, poor bastards. That's the American dream. Rich people don't send their children to the army. They rather send their poor and undereducated trash to foreign countries to spread that lie called „American dream“.
| >>152866
You're calling me undereducated and poor? Because there's many ways that I can prove you wrong.
| >>152881
Oh, I forgot to mention that also dumb people go to the army, especially when they're not poor and undereducated. Because why? For what? For idealistic reasons? Patriotism? Seeking Adventure?
Hahaha. That's so dumb.
Just give me one positive example of what the US Army did in the last 70 years, that makes it worth to join them. Almost everyone in the World hates you.
| >>152976
The wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead. Your writings express the epitome of ignorance.
Using your logic I can say "I forgot to mention that dumb people disrespect others based on their choices about joining the military."
The greatest example of a fool is one who presumes to know everything. Except in your case you make the majority of fools around the world sound and speak like Albert Einstein himself. That's an incredible feat.
| >>152976
I'm not dumb or undereducated. My reason for serving in the military is unimportant and provides no support to any of your arguments.
There's as many positive examples as there are negotive. You seem more than capable of doing the research yourself, for someone who seems to know it all.
If you imply people hate me, one individual, I'd agree and say maybe 2 people I know ow do. If you mean to say military, millions of people would prove you wrong. Man your arguments suck
| >>153006
Nice try, pulling Albert Einstein on your side who never liked the military at all.
I never said I know everything. I just know something which may sounds like everything for someone who knows nothing.
I'm totally fine beeing called ignorant by someone who serves in a institution that is made for killing people all over the world just to save the privileges of the overprivileged.
Can you tell me at least 1 positive example what the US army did after WW2?
| >>153018
>If you mean to say military, millions of people would prove you wrong.
You confuse „millions of people“ with „people who are millionaires“
Because that's what the US army serves for.
In the end you all will replaced or taken over by official merchants.
| >>153041
Well then I guess you really have a problem being called ignorant by someone who hasn't served in the military. Another example of a cringeworthy know-it-all attitude.
It must be a really tough task for you to conduct the most basic of research. As I said there are just as many positive examples as there are negative. I would be really embarrassed to be in your position and ask someone else to do your work for you.
| >>153041
Since you provide such intellectual arguments, I assume your a big girl/boy. Again, you should be more than capable of doing that yourself.
| >>153067
>Well then I guess you really have a problem being called ignorant by someone who hasn't served in the military.
You served them by taking part for them in this discussion ;) But yeah, I accidentally thought >>153006 and>>153018 were from the same person, tbh.
>As I said there are just as many positive examples as there are negative.
Blahblah... I call that ignorant relativism. They may be individual postive examples in the military, but they are a not lasting minority.
| >>153071
Oh, and how many people you've killed? Or are you waiting for a better opportunity?
Yeah I know, probably you digged for water and build schools in Afghanistan, Somalia or wherever. Because everybody knows, that's what the military is made for (can't hold the laugh)
| >>152976 The military helps serve a state. It can serve many of the reasons mentioned above and it shows the will of the people to protect their own and what they believe in. If things turn out well it can help others to do the same or enforce yours over the other. Afghanistan is a shithole with nothing in it so anyone that's waged war or tried to fix it has ended up wasting time and resources. Somalia is a country only by name. Stop being autistic.
| >>153105
>military helps serve a state.
Yeah, and from time to time it controls it somehow...
Man, use ur fucking brain.
>Afghanistan is a shithole with nothing in it so anyone that's waged war or tried to fix it has ended up wasting time and resources.
You have no real idea about history and geopolitics, have you?
>Somalia is a country only by name. Stop being autistic.
Well, there it is, the whacky nazist spirit of militarists.
| >>153128 >Nazi shit again
Every state uses the military. Every single state. Commie shitholes included. If you don't wanna state go the anarchist route where you end up having the anarchy broken down by a force with a military that creates a state.
>Pulling the you have no idea card
I've read conceptions of the military as a concept to homogenize violence and take it away as a right from the citizens so they stop killing each other.
| 3f48aa is just trollbait lol. His posts are so transparent even a non english speaker can see that he's just pulling shit out of his ass.
| Literally from the very beginning where he argues that the US military consists of the "melting pot of undereducated, poor bastards" shows that he either has a layman's understanding of the military from the pre-90's or comes from a country where conscription is enforced and this sort of thing is common. It doesn't take so much as a two second google search to see that the US military has been cutting back recruitment in all branches and is now far more difficult to successfully
| join and pass. The military doesn't want stupid NEETs whose only qualification is playing COD or potheads or alcoholics or people out on their ass, what it needs are people able to take and interpret orders, who are capable of acting on their own intelligently in dangerous situations, and who are capable of supporting their bretheren when the going gets rough. That's why you need to have a certain weight class and be able to pass physical not just before boot, but regularly.
| As much as people within and outside of the military bitch about waste, it makes sense that they would remove the grenade throwing requirement (which they are required to go through again anyway) and the land navigation requirement (in an era full of advanced tech JUST designed for this purpose); clearly, its because they didn't serve any purpose.
| >>153208
>Every state uses the military. Every single state.
Except those who don't have, you lying shithead.
>Commie shitholes included.
Yeah, but at least military from commie shitholes defended against fucking capitalist/imperialist ever invading US-forces. And if you may take a look at >>152760, >>152866, etc. then you see this occurrence of an army/military is what the thread is about, dumbass.
| >>153244
"Forced" Conscription (which is a stupid tautology) is sth. that guarantees, that the army represents the average population of its country.
A carreer army, is just a step closer to a mercenary one, and attracts the loosers, scum and venturers of society like shit attracts fly.
| >>153246
yeah, be happy to live in a country with that standards, but as mentioned in
>>153267, this thread is about the US army, which is exactly what you described:
stupid NEETs whose only qualification is playing COD or potheads or alcoholics or people out on their ass.
"Mom, Mom, look I'm in the US-Army. I shot civilists with drones, just as i learned it in COD"
| Open your eyes man:
A majority of humanity suffers from the US army and hates your bigot, hypocritical disneyland shithole country. Europe, Asia, Africa: Everywhere people that hate you, for beeing bigot, hypocritical, dumb, retarded assholes without culture that only bring destruction, diabetes, adiposes and intellectual degeneration to humanity.
| >>153284
Open my eyes? Rofl
Open >yours, dumbass.
Every post you make on this board shows you as a classic example of someone afflicted with Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
| Go to Brazil and pull a random soldier from their conscript military and let them tell you with a straight face that they can defend themselves against career soldier. Then look at their armaments and training.
Anyone who is paid to kill will be infinitely more effective than someone who is forced to kill, "for their country."
| The purpose of military is frankly to defend the interests of the country. No one gives a shit if a soldier from said military "represents the average population of the country," because being average does not win wars. You are delusional and likely have nothing going for you in whatever rock you live on, so the only thing you can do is rage online against people that are better than you in every respect.
| I'd tell you to go seek mental help, but if your shit hole country is as bad as you make it sound, I can see why you're still here, shitting yourself raw.
| >>153267
What state, dickweed, does not have a military or law enforcement that uses force to enforce its laws?
| >>153346
>Every post you make on this board shows you as a classic example of someone afflicted with Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
Which is bullshit, because it implies I was incompetent, unreflective and bad in recognizing your "competence". You should honestly consider if it isn't exactly the other way around with your psychological "effect".
Btw. I'm well aware that my english is not the best, but i give a fuck, because content goes over frontend.
| >>153359
Oh, and suddenly there is no difference between an army and police anymore? You're just bending things that they fit in your twisted world view, aren't you?
If you want to know what country has no regular army, just take a look into a encyclopedia of your choice. I've heard there is also one in this new thing called Internet.
| >>153353
>The purpose of military is frankly to defend the interests of the country.
Oh, please tell me you're joking. You don believe that shit don't you? Let's take the US-Army, for example: How did they "serve the country" in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria? Pls. explain. Where was the purpose for "the country". Could it be that "for the country" is just a empty term to fool masses, like "for god"? No, that can't be. No, never ever. Because why should som1 lie?
| >>153353
>No one gives a shit if a soldier from said military "represents the average population of the country," because being average does not win wars.
Yeah, tell me which wars were won in the last time by whom (especially the US). I see only rich people and their industry winning wars. And death.
| >>153349
>Go to Brazil and pull a random soldier from their conscript military and let them tell you with a straight face that they can defend themselves against career soldier. Then look at their armaments and training.
The difference is that the brazil soldier will fight in brazil to defend brazil, while the us mercenary soldier fights all over the world for... yeah for what? Please tell me. I'm pretty interested in the reason for their stupid interventions.
| >>153353
>You are delusional and likely have nothing going for you in whatever rock you live on, so the only thing you can do is rage online against people that are better than you in every respect.
I am delusional because of YOU ASSHOLES DESTROY EVERYTHING WHAT IS GOOD. You trumple around the world like ignorant assholes only bringing pain and destruction to people. I've lost people I love because of your ignorance and blindness. FUCK THE USA AND THEIR FUCKING MILITARY!!!
| Actually being proud because someone is part of the us military is a bit dumb. It is also true that the military of a nation is there to defend that nation, not to be the wardogs pack of idiots who proclaim to defend american freedoms by invading Iraq when the 'enemy' was trained and put to power by them in the first place. And when the pretext for invasion was known well to be a lie.
One has to try very hard to find something about the american army of which to be proud of.
| It could well be so in the eyes of an american, but just cut the crap when out there in most parts of the world. Because you know, all mothers will tell their children they are beautiful, no matter how ugly they are.
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| The U.S. Army will drop its hand grenade competency requirement for graduation from basic training because getting recruits to pass it is taking “too much time” and they’re just not strong enough, Major General Malcolm Frost told reporters on Friday.
Changes to the Army’s Basic Combat Training (BTC) will eliminate the current hand grenade proficiency standards as a requirement for graduation