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Should we remove all firearms from citizens?
| When the government tells you that you don't need guns, that's when you need them the most. Obviously we shouldn't.
| US needs to end it's gun obsession. Follow UK, Canadian and Australia
| According to US (and, in general, worldwide) statistics, number of guns per people has no correlation with number of people killed by firearms per year. So obviously no.
Japanese people are just naturally law-abiding
| >>151589 Australia was very liberal with its gun laws but shootings happens nearly on weekly basis. Then the government implemented draconian strict gun laws and shootings stopped almost entirely
| Switzerland has gun laws almost on par with USA and they have almost no gun crime. Difference between them and us? No niggers. The majority of gun crime in USA is black on black violence. Ban niggers from owning guns.
| >>151606 racist bullshit. Blacks are operated by local white elites and as a way to survive turn to crime.
| By banning guns you are effectively banning guns from law abiding citizens who would use them to protect themselves. Criminals could still get them through illegal ways.
| >>151572
>When the government tells you that you don't need guns, that's when you need them the most. Obviously we shouldn't.
The funny thing is, that the current (US-)government doesn't tell you, that you don't need guns. But it would be interesting to see, if they change their mind as soon people stop shooting each other and start shooting at representatives of this government.
| >>151608
Whites are oppressed by local Jewish elites and as a way to survive turn to crime.
See how retarded you sound?
| I don’t think USA should ban guns, but should make the process of getting one so tedious, long and with a ton of requirements, mental health, previous records and things like that.
| That way you’re not banning them, just making it so difficult to get one that most of they crazy people either get denied one or just give up
| >>151723
They want to do this with voting rights, all that happens is blacks and the democratic party whine about how the new rules disproportionately affect minorities who can't afford to take time out of collecting welfare to go through the process.
| >>151732
Yeah, and also it turned out that most of blacks are able to go through the process, so democratic party was just whining for no reason. Classic dems.
>>151608
>muh rich jews are suppressing white people, fucking kikes... OH I MEAN RICH WHITES ARE SUPPRESSING BLACK PEOPLE FUCKING BIGOTS!!
| This is a dumbshit question, you can't take away the gus, is too late, impossible to achieve. Better find another way
| >be more like Australia
>crikey they're at it again
| >>151570 fuckin no fag, there'd be no niggas who'll fucking rape and commit fucking murder with guns and shit. More like they'd go stabbing if you do that.
| For what reason? The same reason we should get rid of knives, or fast food, or tobacco. The point is to prevent unnatural deaths/murders isn't it?
I wonder why the media doesn't bother to show you how murders by knives in the U.S. are 4x the number of murders by firearms.
Let's not get started on fast food or tobacco. I think people in general need to sit down and think about how to effectively mitigate mass shootings in the U.S. and quit obsessing over firearms being the issue.
| Does no one have the patience to think about ways to prevent shootings in schools? Employ a handful of guards/police to patrol the only entrance to a school because the rest could be shutdown during school hours.
Employ metal detectors in school to prevent situations from the inside.
For other main points of interest some of those same methods could be used but you can never be fully prepared.
| For the record, the amount of deaths by firearms in dozens of other countries are substantially higher compared to that of the United States.
Japan is ranked just under the United States for deaths by firearms >>151579
Criminals don't care about what you write down on paper. If they have a blatant disregard for the life of another human, what makes you think they care about anything else?
| As a disclaimer, putting a reform on firearms doesn't affect me in anyway.
Although it should definitely worry those who want more restrictions on firearms because to be honest, it doesn't look like much would change.
| >>152265 you are bullshit and getting your "facts" from a a gun lobby that is highly influential in the US
| As a Communist, Socialist, Leftist, no.
| Gun-control laws doesn't work. People must have rights to protect themselves from robber or murderer who doesn't give a fuck about this regulations.
| >>152441 if it doesn't work can you explain why Europe, Canada and Australia have strict gun laws and literally no shootings?
| >>152475 hush. You are implying those have people who think before they do and are not like animals mentally. Are you nuts?
| >>152475
Russia has it too, but intentional homicide rate is high. Explain.
And why don't you compare California (strict gun laws) with Texas? https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/
| >>152475
Because they have these laws for a very long time already. Not to mention the history of America where its been "normal" to carry a gun for a long ass time
| http://rightoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/aDeVoreCropped.png
| >>152475
>Europe
Also look at Switzerland and Finland.
https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/civilian-firearms-per-100-people.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&strip=all
| Why give all your guns to the (((police))) if you don't have trust in them in the first place?
| Americans have no sense for the value of life.
| >>151922
You are a little slow in the head now lad, aren't you? You really are capable of equating fireguns with knives, citing that more crimes happen from knives.
Well surprise for you, in most countries if you were found with a knife its blade longer than 6-7cm you end up in police station. This to show you that banning knives laws exist out there too and it is normal.
| Otoh who can commit crimes with a knife can do so also using a fork. Or a pencil. Or a screwdriver.
The banning of firearms is to be based on reasoning and common sense and then by law. Not the other way around. But logic and common sense are not traditionally taught in america so no wonder people give answers more or less like yours quite often.
| >>152698
>i am just smarter than you and have a common sonse, also your entire race/nation/country is stupid.
| >>152690
And deaths still happen by knives. Surprised, bud? That was my point. Murderers don't care and will still conceal the knife to do their killing. If they don't care for one of the biggest laws, "don't kill", do you really expect them to care about restrictions on their tools. Obviously not
| >>152698
You speak of logic yet you're not understanding more deaths happen by other tools of destruction. How about you research death by for and compare that to knives. If it were an issue, let's use your logic and put restrictions on both because that'll surely help. *sarcasm*
| >>152698
Yeah, why not legalize private ownership of ABC Weapons? I mean if there is no difference between knifes and semuli/full automatic weapons, than there is no difference to nuclear warheads. I mean if one really wants it he gets it, so why not legalize?
| The issue isn't a reform on rifles. We can still purchase them. That really doesn't affect me and I could care less.
The issue is the public using this as the only solution. No increased security? No ways to mitigate these attacks? Just "ban all guns!" And then continue living as if another shooting won't happen?
It's fucking sick to think that's all the public will do. Because no one has the patience to sit and think this through.
| >>152529
And why just Americans? Are you purposely refusing to ignore the hundreds of thousands of murders around the world that topple our numbers exponentially?
| >>152848
Why cant we all have Neutron Bombs and Satin gas legally.
Fuck man your weapon idiots are so unbelievable stupid and ignorant. I wish that everyday you or someone you love get shot by maniac assholes. Fucking shit. Im so upset about these weapon fetishists, that my forehead vein is about to burst.
| >>152860
I know people whom are responsible gun owners and are very respectful. Going to a range is a hobby of theirs.
You're just as terrible as someone committing a mass shooting for wishing death upon strangers and their family.
| >>152875
You know, I have no Problem with responsible and respectful gun owners. But I don't understand why it is so important that every mad asshole needs easy access to any kind of weapon. It's just stupid to support that. I live in a country where you can't even carry arround a sword without permission. But if you are a hobbyists you can prove being responsible, get registered and get a licence. Where is the Problem?
| Oh, and pls don't start to complain about your personal freedom and privacy, in your fucking paranoid Facebook/Google/NSA nanny surveillance disney-shithole.
| >>152860 Guns are a work of art at the end of the day. They're very well made and have very interesting and different characteristics. I don't know why you hate them so much. Some people just like them. And the majority of the world has some gun regulations before you can acquire a gun.
The real thing is if you want to kill someone, you don't need a gun to do it. A pen can suffice too. Stopping the intent of murder seems like a better idea.
| >>153101
>Stopping the intent of murder seems like a better idea.
Ironically this always comes from people who usually give a fuck about the circumstances of a crime. It's the same people who are crying „it's not the weapons fault“ and „solve the problem by its roots“ now, that are crying about „criminal immigrants“ and want to have law and order, fortified borders etc. This is so ridiculous.
| >>153101
>The real thing is if you want to kill someone, you don't need a gun to do it.
Yeah, why have law at all? Because if someone wants to do something he will do it regardless off law and regulations.
Don't you even realize how dumb your logic is?
| >>153110
I think it's time for me to stop lurking this thread. My sides almost hurt from laughing at this one's posts.
| >>153101
>Guns are a work of art at the end of the day. They're very well made and have very interesting and different characteristics.
That's bullshit. You have no real Idea what the purpose of weapons is: In the end they are tools to kill people (or at least animals).
It's unbelievable how naive you are. Piece of art my ass.
| >>153108
With guns you can defend yourself, the fact that you have a weapon makes you less attractive target to assault. Free-sold weapons positively affects the GDP of the country. Armed people increase the defense capability of the nation.
Question: what are the pluses from aggressive unemployed migrants living on allowances? These are completely different things.
| >>152848
But go tell that to the brilliant mind who justifies firearms by arguing that more deaths occur because of pitchforks.
| >>153178
Nah, they don't listen to me. And I don't want end up with you like them: circle jerking, ignorant assholes with no sense for logic. It's like a big quota of the US population suffers from the Dunning-Kruger-Effekt.
| >>153129
>Question: what are the pluses from aggressive unemployed migrants living on allowances?
Have a talk with native Americans on this topic.
| >>153101
To kill with a pen needs skill and strength and confidence and physical competence.
The gun lovers should wash their mouths before mentioning blade weapons and deseve to be whipped when they try to justify guns with analogies of cold weapons.
Stupid trigger happy fags.
| >>153326 To what I know, they do suffer from that and it has been known for quite a while.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12329/
| >>Man, american liberals are something. Have you ever heard the word chakka in japanese? Its yakuza slang for guns. The japanese media is government controlled and infamously underreports the ammount of crime that takes place there. Just go south of the osaka zoo into the arcade streets of Tonkonshi and you will quickly learn how wrong you are. Of course, foreigners like you gaijin never know anything about the reality of japan's underworld, what with the imperial household agency.
| >>153532
Indians paid for their technological backwardness, for them low human capital. Do Americans want to end like them? Go ahead.
| >154109 you are fuckin' insane, I am was born and lived most of my life in Japan and compared to other countries Japan is safest country in the world and yakuza shit can only bee seen in the movies. Yakuza are not what they used to be in the 80' and most of them just get money from illegal gambling
| >>154146 Right. And you are going to defend the Land management bureau next right?
Ignorance is bred deep into your people, with blind faith to the state.
Goto Nishikawaguchi at night, The docks of Uraga in kanagawa at 3 am, God damned Shibuya at night with its never ending lines of brothels, Most of Southern Osaka where poor chinese immigrants and homeless live.
Let alone roppongi.
Time to wake little Nihonjin, Japan is a country rife with crime below the mask.
| >>154146 Tell you what, don't believe me?
Fine, we can meet and I'll show it to you directly. I am a half american, half nihonjin tantei based out of the Yokosuka area. You can choose in between Joe's thai shop by the Nishikawaguchi train station, on the alley accross from the policebox. Or we can meet at haneby, in Yokosuka directly.
My job brings me into contact with this ugliness on a normal basis. Choice is yours. Going to keep your eyes shut, eh kohaikun?
| Anyone denying the king crown of America as the country with highest crime compared to other countries is the same as saying they deny being born from pussy and came in life by their mothers divine anus.
| Why are gun owners so aggressive?
To OP's question: yes.
| >>154421
https://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/07/yes-u-s-locks-people-up-at-a-higher-rate-than-any-other-country/?utm_term=.018252ec35ef
Don't worry son. You will understand what is written there after you become 18 years old.
| >>154542
So when one turns 18 they become unable to think in terms of total population huh? This is raw crime stats, not per capita which is what matters. It also seems to only consider western countries. It also only concerns reported numbers, it doesn't accurately count crime in places without effective law enforcement or that did not submit stats. Way to cherry pick, I'm sure a lot of people will be fooled into thinking Germany is actually the second most criminal country.
| >>154710
No. When they turn 18 they hopefully have more brains to respond with "lulz fail lulz".
Yes it will consider western countries. Only. You wouldn't like comparing usa to Rwanda now I think.
Fair enough at that the figures could be skewed a bit at what is considered a crime where. That would explain Germany rating quite high. But probably because there are many things in Germany considered crime that in the usa are not. Like possession of a gun.
| But you see, it might be a bit of a problem to show truth to those high confidence americans about these things.
When 'Pravda' and RT write about the high crime rates you reject because bolsheviks. When XinHua writes about it you reject because fabricating commies. When WPost and BBC write about it you reject because statistics are cherry picked.
Its ok. Dont mind that usa has 6x prisoners of India while India has 4x people of usa. They are too poor to build more prisons I am sure
| >>154813
In India, smoking (or ingesting) weed is fairly normal and a lot of Indians don't even know it is weed they are consuming (they call it something else). In USA, you get thrown in prison for that. The ear on drugs is stupid, no disagreement. That is the primary cause of the high incarceration rates though. The statistic you should be most concerned with are violent crimes per capita.
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| Yeas or noe?